How do I tell candidates I’m being asked to interview that the group is toxic and to run the other way without well… saying that.

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Just don’t be overly positive and then put in your eval that they only talked about pro bono and wanting to make a difference and seem like a bad fit

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Lmao this is some chaotic good

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I wish my recruiter was honest with me. She talked so highly of the group, knowing she is constantly replacing associates there because it is so toxic.

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NAME THEM!

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I’m assuming you don’t want blow back from your firm, so you could try being honest, but pretending it’s a positive thing. So that way candidates get the true story, but you still feel like you’re doing your job for the firm if that makes sense. Like:

1. Everyone here is a really hard worker. Having a strong work ethic is important here for sure. Associates that don’t have that work ethic tend to not last very long

2. No one here handles anyone with kid gloves. You’re going to get honest and blunt feedback about your work product and how it needs to improve. And this won’t be limited to annual reviews, so you’ll have plenty of opportunities to grow here.

Aka the firm is full of asshole workaholics. You get the idea

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I’m forever grateful to the head of HR who bluntly asked me right before my second round of interviews if I was the kind of person who could tolerate “passionate” partners who sometimes lose their temper and berate associates.

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My firm had a super toxic group that was a revolving door of associates (think people stayed for weeks, not even months). Whenever someone called me about a posted opening I was honest - the group has a problem retaining associates. Most candidates can read between the lines pretty well.

The few times I was asked to interview candidates for that group I used language like the group has “incredibly high expectations” and the workload can be “very demanding.” If they asked why the position was open - I was fairly honest that the group had a lot of turnover (probably why I wasn’t someone the firm regularly asked to conduct interviews).

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When I was doing OCI I told one of my screeners I wanted a firm that was collegial where people liked each other and got along and he said “where’d you hear that about us” so that did it!

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You tell the partners that it's not a good idea to have you participate in the interviews.

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Some people are desperate for jobs for a multitude of reasons and would come no matter what. You should make them read between the lines, but don’t be so clear that it’ll be awkward for you once they do join.

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We just interviewed someone—my coworker and I could not have been more clear in our message for her to f**** run. She accepted the offer on the spot and made us look like absolute idiots. In the end, you can only look out yourself

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Just tell them and while you’re at it see if you can get the scoop on where else is hiring and run the other way with them lol

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I interviewed at Skadden, and during my call back an associate told me that if I was going to make it there that I “needed to live, breath and die Skadden.” Message received.

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I had an associate tell me they thought their firm had a problem with diversity - for an extra 15 minutes after the allotted interview time. That made it pretty clear.

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The only thing that has made me take a firm out of consideration faster was when a partner at a different firm told me he didn’t have any female associates because “it’s just really hard to find competent female associates”.

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This is such a sticky situation because trying to get out of the interviews or being too honest in interviews could lead to some very uncomfortable discussions with the partners. I’d probably try to softly avoid participating in interviews via recruiting by claiming you’re too busy. If you get stuck participating, I’d probably opt to be super meh about the group in the interviews. I wouldn’t bash the firm, but wouldn’t lie. If you’re asked about your hours, I’d be honest. If you’re asked about how collaborative or collegial the group is, I’d say you have some difficult personalities or the group has a high stress workload or something. If they ask about training or mentoring and there is non, I’d say the group is really focused on client work and not non-billable activities. I think you can send a message without being too explicit.

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slip them a note

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I was very honest at my old firm. People work long hours, can be tough, not for the meek, plenty of people want somewhere more relaxed, etc. I’d rather they not come than come and leave after 5 months. I had a very high average of my interviewees accepting and they very rarely left early. If your firm is remotely professional they will be honest with people. And if you can’t be honest I’d find somewhere else.

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I flat out told my firm I’m not comfortable helping with recruitment efforts anymore after they screwed over one of our summer associates.

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Omg poor thing. I don’t blame you.

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