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As a former recruiter & HR PM: this situation is status quo across industries when you’re leaving for the competition.
By law, 49 out of 50 states are “at will” employment, and unless you have a contract (which usually only benefits the employer) you a) don’t even have to give a two week notice b) they don’t have to let you work out those two weeks.
At least they’re paying out those two weeks; some will force you to seek unemployment & that can be a real pain.
My advice to anyone reading this, burn your sick time before you put in your notice. Floating holidays too. And if you’re in a state that doesn’t require them to pay out PTO, go ahead and crank those out too. By then, they’ll likely know you’re on your way out & there’s nothing they can do about it.
Always look out for yourself, because HR is looking out for the company, not you.
100% this. I recently got promoted and still have a few weeks before I officially transition over. I’m trying to burn off the PTO I built up because I won’t be paid out for it and I have a rule where I don’t take time off the first 6 months of a new job.
I also work at Progressive and have seen people walked out if they are going to a competitor. I didn’t know they were still paid though. This is good info! 😂. Are you an adjuster? 👀 Nod slowly if the pay is much higher so I can know my next move.
Im in cali, but we can live anywhere on the west coast since it is remote.
Rising Star
Sometimes, it just depends on where you are leaving and where you are going. Some insurance companies will walk you out on the spot. Basically they don’t want you “stealing” proprietary info/data and taking it with you to the next company.
If this is a money issue, ask the new company if you can move your start date up. Worst they can say is No.
Rising Star
You are not obligated to shared anything but if you have a non-compete you might make it clear that the future employment won’t violate that but don’t say the specific company. I wish I had a few weeks off between my last two roles but new company wanted me to start right away, so enjoy it! That doesn’t always happen.
And this is why I never give 2 weeks 😂
I have heard some folks will do that. They know that their days are numbered anyway. And then there are some folks where when they give their notice they can take their two weeks.
Nationwide did this to me when I left for usaa
So you don’t have have to tell your employer where you are going ever. My coworker said she was going to be a housewife and instead went to another company for a $35k pay raise.
Based on my experience, if you are not in middle management, Director-Level, or C-Level it makes no sense to give an advance resignation notice of 4 weeks unless they are short-staffed and it is making a noticeable impact to the servicing of the clients. Even then, please let the employer come to you and ask you to stay for additional weeks beyond a standard 2 week notice. Individual Contributor roles, a standard 2 week notice that will match up with your pay-periods (so you'll have pay for a full last month) will suffice. In some instances, no notice may work so you can keep your Health, Pharmacy, Dental, & Vision benefits active for a full 30 days. The 2-Week Notice gives the employer the heads up to mitigate (financial) loss. And best believe you will not have those 30 days to go see your Primary Care Physician, Dentist, Eye Doctor, and whomever else because they've notified all benefit channels and vendors to STOP benefits on the last day of those 2 weeks.
Which leads me to add, please go to all of your various doctors and use those benefits BEFORE providing a 2 weeks notice of resignation.
It is great that they are paying for 2 weeks. However, please file unemployment (ASAP) and get compensation for the 2 weeks they are NOT paying since you absolutely did give a generous advance notice of 4 weeks. That was very generous, kind, and respectful to your previous employer. If there were no performance or behavior issues with your previous employer; And if your previous employer do not tell lies and present a false negative narrative of the reasoning behind your departure....then, you will more than likely be approved for those extra 2 week's through Unemployment Compensation that your previous employer refused to pay out or let you work.
Not uncommon at all for that to happen. But we have to remember that there is a strategy to leaving a job just like there is a strategy to finding and winning a job. In the very least, leaving a job is a 3 month process (for the employee) if the goal is to ensure that one is in a SAFE PLACE once that resignation notice has been sent to the manager. 3 months is sufficient time to use all Health, Dentist & Vision Benefits, HSAs, Timeliness of any Bonus or Company Performance PAYOUTS and to get that PTO to ZERO. But do keep your performance output at EXCELLENT because it SHOULD be a surprise to your employer when you decide to leave.
Yea insurance companies do that since its a conflict
Of interest.
I work at Progressive as well and most of the time when someone put in their two weeks, they were walked out immediately and the rest of us were told not to discuss the situation.
Congratulations on the new gig!
Thanks for the info!!! And thank you!
Kinda strange if 4 weeks were agreed upon? But if not, hopefully you have a bit of money in the bank to at the very least sustain you for the month. If it were me I’d enjoy the 3.5 weeks of bliss before the storm starts up again. Recharge, refresh, maybe treat yourself to a mini vacation/staycation if you can.
Yup that’s what I’m going to do. Enjoy the un-planned vacation!
In my experience in insurance if you're going to a competitor of any degree it's too large of a conflict of interest to keep anyone and most people are let go early unless their manager and circumstances are more favorable. Also should've only done 2 weeks. Only ever 2 weeks notice.
If you have any extra PTO accrued they will likely add that in your last check. Check with HR at progressive. May depend on state law and what is outlined in your company employee handbook. Otherwise I agree… see if you can get an earlier start date.
I’ve worked at multiple insurance companies and depending on the position most will accept at 2 weeks notice (it might depend on the State) and you are done that very day. If you don’t give 2 week notice you are burning bridges. If you give 2 week notice knowing they will say bye immediately and start working at new job while still getting paid by former: that is illegal - double dipping.
If they are paying you for 2 weeks after, just get written confirmation that they are firing you at that two week mark. You were planning on working those 4 weeks so if they end your employment after 2 weeks and stop paying you, that is them firing you and a termination, not a resignation. It may get them to change their mind as there are differences between a firing and a voluntary resignation.
Wow you gave them too much notice
A lot of insurance companies do this if you’re going to a competitor! If anyone is planning to go to a competitor schedule yourself some PTO, then come give your resignation and let them kick you out. Get as much out of them as you can. They sure took more than enough from you
This just happened to me actually
Laughing at how they did things...not laughing at you
Rising Star
Umm that seems wrong. What type of work do you do? I also work at PGR.. feel free to PM me. I’ve left three insurance companies and was asked if I’d stay more than two weeks..
I think legally they have to pay you the 4 weeks even though they asked you to leave unless you revised your last day of work to reflect the 2 weeks.
It seems like to me once I put in my notice, I am already “an outsider” and all of their next actions seem cruel lol
This is interesting. A lot of folks in my office put in a two week notice and they we’re asked to decrease their workload during the 2 week period. I guess it depends on the individual and manager.
I think it depends on where you are going to next. My friend also left PRG to city job and she stayed until last day..
This is common practice. I put in my two weeks notice with State Farm and I was released same day. They paid for the two weeks but I didn’t have to work it.