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In this market you have the ability to argue for what you deserve. Even if it seems like a great role, there are better more competitive ones out there!
Can you negotiate to add PTO based on your experience? Prior to moving to unlimited we often negotiated longer PTO for individuals that had a tenure in the industry. You can ask someone with 10+ years to go back to 10 days and National holidays. This isn’t your first rodeo.. If they are not willing to budge then I agree it’s a huge red flag and move on.. Good Luck
Thanks. I tried but they denied it.
No. I recently turned down an offer from an agency that only offered 10 days of PTO. It was laughably archaic in this crazy job market.
Same
That’s less than I got at my first job as an entry level associate. Personally I wouldn’t take it. The market is so competitive right now, I think you can stick it out for a better offer elsewhere.
your time > their time. 2 weeks firm is a non-starter.
If you’re someone who uses your PTO - don’t take it. I don’t know if I could go back somewhere without unlimited
If you have a decent amount of other options, then decline and make sure they know why. Bonus points for GD interview process review re: PTO policy. Won’t help you, but could help change / or at least others in the future.
In this job market? Absolutely not.
No.
I had an agency tell me that once.
And I pushed back and they eventually“made an exception” for me.
There isn’t a single agency or holding co rule that doesn’t get broken occasionally or more than occasionally.
I definitely pushed back and they caved with the whole “one-time exception” too.
Could you negotiate your start date and take some time off to recharge before launching into the new role?
Well of course they want you to start immediately. Everyone is going to say that. You tell them what you want your start date to be and if they aren't okay with it, you move on. This job market affords the candidate to have a lot of control and negotiation power.
do not take the job if you already have concerns about their policies (PTO or otherwise). most companies offer unlimited at this point, given how hard people have worked over the last two years. it shows that they don’t value their employees time
Lame on their part. Additional PTO is such an easy thing to help sweeten a deal. Did they say why only two weeks? I would worry they're under-resourced for their workload.
I do know they’ve been working for a while to fill this role. But tbh I think every agency is understaffed at this time.
I’m hearing from this that they’re not adapting to the changing job market. You can find both amazing pay and great PTO elsewhere. The fact that they’re not up for negotiation is a red flag
Not a chance. Burnout culture.
*Sighs in European*
And when you decline their offer. Please tell them why. If employees don’t band together to push benefits forward we’re going to continue being offered these archaic “perks”. Nope. No. Nah.
Red flag. They don’t believe in giving their employees time? Sorry, you are worth more than just the salary bump.
No way not in todays market. Currently interviewing and the most restrictive policy im seeing is 30days of PTO, most are unlimited
Absolutely not. 4 weeks as a minimum. It’s a sellers market right now
No.
Happens more often than you think. It’s a dumb policy. Probably intended to give existing employees incentive to stay long to build, but it’s a terrible competitive policy.
Studies even show that people take less vacation (on average) time with unlimited PTO.
Happened to me at my last transition to my current role. Ended up being fine. They’ll probably tell you “you accrue x amount per month” but honestly I’ve taken over my accrued amounts within the year limit ahead of time, you just carry a negative balance until it matches at the end, and only have to pay back if you leave with a negative accrual.
I would just pick a time point 2 months out and say “I have a pre booked vacation I’m unable to change” and they’ll probably agree to let you go. Then go be creative with your floating holidays and sick days if you need
I actually do have a vacation end of March. Spoke to the recruiter today and she said they’re ok with me starting, then taking that time off unpaid since it was pre planned, and then coming back. Which means I would quit my current role, start for 2 weeks, then take an unpaid week off and then come back. Sounded so odd to me.
I turned down a job that only offered 10 vacation days and had a policy where new hires can’t use PTO for the first 6 months of work. A couple months later I accepted an offer for more money and more vacation days. If it’s important to you, it might be worth it to hold out for something better.