I’m a third year in finance (mix of borrowing and lending side work) and starting to find myself bored due to lack of strategy involved in the practice. I also can’t shake the feeling that I’m not providing real lawyer advice and counsel but am more a paper pusher (unlike other practices). Does this change? Has anyone felt the same way and found a way to satisfy this feeling?

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Most corporate practices are just paper pushers. I don’t think that changes, although the type of paper you push becomes more complex, and you get to negotiate more as you get more senior.

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I do M/A buyers side finance work and it is endless form modification and signature collection. Boring, but pays the bills. I am learning a lot that will eventually allow me to do more complex work, but it will always be paper pushing or managing someone else’s paper pushing.

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Most corporate practices are just paper pushers. I don’t think that changes, although the type of paper you push becomes more complex, and you get to negotiate more as you get more senior.

Inputting effective dates across documents and changing dollar amounts is boring and skill-less?

Even if there was strategy, why would they let a third year be involved?

I don’t really like finance work for this exact reason. Sometimes there is definitely some complexity there but for the most part I find it incredibly boring.

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