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I’m a woman in my mid 20s and constantly face situations where people outside of cyber (still within the company) that I’m dealing with (older men in particular) who always push back against my cyber/technical recommendations even with managers cc’d. I studied, earned certs, and worked hard to get to where I am. Is it bc of my gender and age? In all honesty, I’ve written recommendations that male counterparts voiced in the past that had ZERO pushbacks.

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For what it’s worth, I’m a 30yr male but I look younger, and I’ve received similar push back from clients that are middle-aged. A lot of them think age = wisdom, despite majority of my team of 20 something year olds being exponentially more qualified than them. We even had a F100 CISO ask our MD (mid-30s) how old they were. So seems this mentality is rampant within cyber and IT generally. I can imagine it is further magnified for women. Do you, and keep killing it! There’s a reason they need recommendations from someone in their mid-20s in the first place, don’t let their insecurities hinder your confidence :)

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Awwwe 🥺🥺. It’s really sad that people have this mentality. Youth brings in new perspective that sometimes, the experienced folks haven’t thought of before. I give recommendations because I care to not let your implementation get popped by threat actors!! 😤

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People are always going to push back in this field. It's better they do than do not. Take their feedback and adjust if they are right and counter if you think they may be wrong. Even old dudes are right every now and then 😉.

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LOL! I do look up to some older folks for advice. Just not the one who thinks a phone passcode is MFA haha

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Playing devil’s advocate here: in any group (security included) I’m not sure that I’d trust an analyst level resource as the “expert”. Think realistically here and try not to be offended.

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Not offended btw!

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Highly likely that they are pushing back on you due to that. Your security colleagues should back you up unless your observations are entirely baseless. If they are well founded....stand up for it and justify. You’ll be respected for that.

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Exactly!! I will always speak on what’s right. I’m all for education but be open about it

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It’s common for older IT industry folks. I look young, and I can tell they only really start respecting me when I joke about some old ass technology so they see how far back my skills go.

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Awwwe I appreciate the positivity!! Trying my best to do the right thing in my role 🙂

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Think about this. I'm mid twenties, have pre-university experience. Earned my CISSP right out of University. KPMG still keeps me at an associate level and I have to work with people who never read nist. Managers pretty much take my comments and read them up the ladder as their own. :(

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D1, thanks!! I did some security work for another company after highschool, went to uni a few years after to save up $$ to pay for it. I was lucky to have someone mentor me before school. ASC1, I completely understand how you feel. There are BAs over me not understanding the risk analytics and fundamentals that I'm laying out and what's worst is they have no motivation of learning. It's quite frustrating. #playthegametogetpromoted...

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Play their own game and learn the old tech as well. I can hold my own on backtrack, cyber forensics back in the 90s, assembly, stuxnet and other stuff. You'll immediately get more respect that route.

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Hispanic male, never really received this type of pushback until I moved to a large, old school, bank. I think it has more to do with age and mentality (millennial vs boomer) than woman vs male, race, etc. I have the last laugh because I’m 28 making around the same $$ as the 45 year old clown telling me that I’m wrong.

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Literally a senior manager outside of cyber (male, probably twice my age) told me it’s impossible to get an AD creds dump and reverse the hashes. This was part of my job when I did pentesting so to call me out like that was disrespectful. I replied all with an article that lays out what he thought was impossible. Fun days but going back to your comment, ignorance really takes you far 😒

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Not a creep but if a woman in her 20s sent me recommendations I’d atleast have a discussion about it 😋 but again not everyone is as nice as me..

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and thats when i go to your CC

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Gah. Why are cyber outsiders commenting your technical recommendations?

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I would’ve let it slide if someone super nice outside of IT or a non-technical role made that comment. I’m all for sharing the knowledge but there are basic expectations of you’re going to be a senior lead in IT. If I ever go back into the office, I’m down to give that a try and see the older folks give me a throwback story 🤣🤣

I'm a female in my mid-20s. Truthfully my technical ability/recommendations probably are the things that get the least pushback. Also not to sound rude, but having certs means literally nothing in regards to your technical ability/knowledge

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Oh no, totally agree with you about certs. I guess my point is, I have the technical capability, what more do you want out of me for /you/ to decide my recommendations are worthy?

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