I’m currently surviving day 45 of a 60-day PIP, and the psychological warfare of this process is worse than the actual threat of being fired. I’ve hit every single arbitrary metric they set for me so far, but my manager still treats me like a stranger and documents every casual Slack message I send. It’s completely obvious that the plan isn't meant to rehabilitate me, it’s just a legal shield for HR to clear the desk. If you actually managed to beat a PIP, did you stay at the company or just use the time to find a clean exit?

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Leave. They're hoping you'll leave on your own accord, and they'll probably find a BS reason to extend the PIP. My most recent job kept me on a 60 day PIP for a YEAR hoping I'd just quit. Finally my immediate manager got moved to a new position, they didn't have somebody to backfill their position to babysit me, so they took me off the PIP and fired me 6 months later for low performance, even though I'd continually hit every sales goal, metric, and KPI I had. My advice: document EVERYTHING and start looking. They want you gone.

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Yeah, I beat mine, then six months later they used it as an excuse to get rid of me. I DID NOT fight it, because you're right, I'd had enough of the psychological warfare. Good luck my friend

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Do not quit and do not stress over either. You should be using this time to do your best, but also be looking for another position.

If you leave you will have limited legal options. If they let you go you have a slew of benefits and options - possibly wrongful termination as well.

Use this time to find another company, beef up skills, build your CV and save money.

PIPs are a legal process design to fail - like a field sobriety test. I actually do not believe in them for my employees - why drag it out. I will just let you go with a severance - I expect to get two weeks , so I try to give two weeks as well - sometime HR disagrees with me.

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Exit, but make sure you get copies of everything, including remarks of casual slacks to identify what was “inappropriate” about them. I was on one once, and they documented step by step a hostile work environment. Double check with an employment attorney this documentation and any severance.

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The PIP is mostly based on some (one or folks) that don't like you. It is a made-up technical maneuver with HR support (keep in mind HR works for the company and shields the big bosses. HR never defends nor protect you, even if you are right. I had one for 90 days, didn’t do nothing extended to 120 days. Then, all of a sudden, somehow they forced the big boss into retirement. Then suddenly my PIP came up good with some weird language or BS. I think they want you out in 60 days and to show legal and HR that they did their due diligence. In my case, I requested to be transferred to another department. The first year was average. Second year review, I impressed them. It is a BS maneuver. Keep this mantra: you always look for yourself. You negotiate your service, and you need and must hone your skills. Survival mode!

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Beat a PIP and was laid off 6 months later. Make them fire you so you can collect unemployment. I would continue to do my job knowing what their intentions are. If you hit your metrics you might have legal recourse. Document everything so might be able to get a higher severance package or a severance package at all. I would be looking for another job ASAP. If you land a position before the PIP ends you now have leverage to negotiate a better exit package without worrying about not having an income. Good luck!

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Great advice here…either find another job or make them fire you. PIP is a way for them to make you miserable and make you want to quit so they don’t have to pay severance or unemployment benefits. Definitely, a silent RIF tool used by less than ethical employers to get rid of people with the least impact to their bottomline!

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Have you been looking for a new job? That should be your main priority right now. As soon as you got the notice you should have interpreted that as having 60 days of severance to search for a job..

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You should have started looking for a new job as soon as the PIP came up. Your boss doesn't care about your progress, they just want you gone. Best thing to do is look for new opportunities and get mentally acclimated to the fact that your current job is as good as over.

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Eventually exit after I beat it...BUT don't quit unless you have another job lined up. Maybe you can get yourself included in a resource action/layoff so that you get some severance pay.

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Here's the thing about PIPs. They are NOT designed to keep you in your job. They are the building blocks of finding the means of letting you go. In the past they used a warning system. Do this, get a first level warning, do this get a second and so on. Now they make sure they have the paperwork to back up their company so you don't have the means to sue them. I see it all the time where I work and I have yet to see any employee survive it.

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I’ve been following an HR person on Instagram, and I believe she has some advice about PIPs and protecting yourself. Check out @theunobsolete. If I were a lawyer, I’d quote her but my memory isn’t that good anyway.

I was set to outlast my PIP because I could stay weeks if not months ahead of expectations easily. My mouth got me in the original trouble.

My boss eventually begged me to leave and eventually I did. It wasn’t a great time to land a job and I did struggle, did Hack Reactor(2016), costly but led to better things.

There’s a better place for you out there, but it’s a tricky time. Don’t be in a hurry, bring let go is not is disaster, just another step on your path.

A very close friend of mine recently survived a PIP. I did ask him what happened and I had to be honest with him. His supervisor does sound like an ass, but my friend severely struggles with everything that HR had pointed out to him. If I had an employee like him, I would've put him in a PIP after 3 years of trying to help him and coach him.

I'm not saying this is your case, but do please sit down and do a bit of introspection. Try to self-identify any actual improvement opportunities. Ask a close friend.

My friend has been more conscious of his shortcomings after talking with me. He was upset for a whole month, but thanked me afterward.

The PIP doesn't really matter. No matter how well you do, you will be found wanting. It is merely a way to manage you out of the company, you aren't meant to succeed.

Tell them that you are willing to agree a settlement figure in order to leave the company, and that you will sign an NDA to seal the deal.

Suggest your notice period as PILON, plus another two or three months of salary to quit. Good luck!

I killed myself working to survive the PIP. In the same conversation where my manager looked like he'd bitten into a lemon and told me I'd satisfied the terms of the PIP, he then immediately told me that I was being laid off. The only difference the PIP made for me was whether I was fired for cause or laid off with a severance package, and of course what they're secretly hoping you'll do is just leave the company and save them the paperwork.

It's likely if you've been put on a PIP, you won't qualify for any severance from being laid off. Check that in your company policies.

I was on a 60 day PIP for six months from the end of 2024 through the start of 2025, and I have stayed ... so far. Now I'm trying to find that clean exit, but I'm hoping the comeback story helps my job search.

Thanks, @VP - that is my intention, if I get asked about it.

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