In my parents generation, trades were pushed and no one really went to university/college to get a degree. It was rare and so if you had one, you were automatically getting a good job. Society started to push college bc of this. Now we are seeing the opposite as everyone has a college degree. I think this will push the trades again. Thoughts?  

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

I’ve been seeing people pushing trades for years. The issue is, society finds NO balance. We need people that do both. We don’t need an electrician to write PowerPoints (please don’t ask my brother to😂) but we do need them to fix the hardware we use to make the PowerPoints. PowerPoints also can seem pointless to someone in a trade, but they’re useful to the ones running the business they work for.

Yeah… people should learn to write a PowerPoint in High School. 🤦🏼‍♀️ No college or university teaches these basic life skills. We need to demand more of our public high schools.

I think we're already seeing this to an extent.

I'm interested what decade was this during because as far as I know college degrees started getting encouraged in the mid 70s.

More like the 80s. Factory work, etc. became more automated around this time. "Between 1980 and 2012, jobs requiring high levels of social interaction grew by nearly 12 percentage points as a share of the US labor force, according to Harvard education researcher David Deming. As a hiring proxy for this, companies started to turn to four-year college degrees."

The shift actually happened after WWII and the GI bill. Suddenly, college was so attainable/affordable for average Americans who simultaneously moved to the suburbs and owned single family homes. Hello “American Dream.”

Then, their kids, the boomers, were told go to college like dad did and this is the path. And it was because college wasn’t as expensive, many still were GIs, and their parents didn’t have debt like the boomers did when their kids went to college.

Now this - worthless pieces of paper with no skills after 4 years of partying that no one went to war to pay for that are “required” to work as a receptionist. Entitlement and great dissatisfaction result when people can’t understand why they wasted $200k and 4 years and now are doing crap they could have done when they were 12 without a college degree. They complain about how they’re being asked to do BS tasks because their degree makes them overqualified for the jobs that are actually available. Oh, and they actually need to just learn on the job as an apprentice anyway because they didn’t learn anything at college.

Imagine if we just joined the workforce at 18 and earned money and skills for 4 years and saved the cost of college how much more wealth we would have!

Think of it like a fashion trend: bell bottoms were cool, then they weren't, then they were back in style, and now they're probably gathering dust in some forgotten attic. So the perception of higher education has gone through its own ups and downs.

Related Posts

Hello everyone, I'm a cs grad student graduating in may making a career transition from mechanical eng to cs. I had an internship but its been hard to find a fulltime dev role. I was thinking of taking a lower position at some company and working myself up maybe BI to DA. I would like to work as a dev but a lot of the small companies are offering salaries significantly under 100 for jr dev roles. Any thoughts?

like

Can someone tell me if a HRBP III is more senior level than a HRBP I? I’ve never really dealt with those titles so I am a little confused!

like

I am in the process of finishing up my MBA but considering also getting my SPHR or PHR cert. Is it even worth it or a waste of time and money?

like

Do we have anyone here working as a solution architect and/or business analyst for SAP? I’d like to connect and learn more about the role and it’s future potential when it comes to SAP.SAP Deloitte Deloitte India Tata Consultancy

like

Should I join G&PS in PwC India? How is the WLB and progression there?PwC

like

Anyone know what is the eligibility for promotion in Harman and when that gets reflected? I have 9+ years of exp expecting designation change by this year. I completed 2.5yrs in Harman

like

What has better WLB and comp, being a heme onc physician or climbing the ranks of D/SD/VP in R&D or commercial strategy for an oncology line? Not taking into account initial path to get to these positions.

like

Can someone explain to me what law clerks are in private practice? I'm based internationally but deal with our NY office a lot, and I can not figure out what the title actually means/where it sits.

like

Pharmacist here with 9 YOE working as a clinical oncology pharmacist at a large NYC hospital. I’m a PharmD, BCPS. I’d love some guidance on where to apply, what types of posts to look for, and is it possible for someone with my qualifications to break into LS? Thanks in advance

like

Just got promoted to ACD. Will be taking on more leadership roles. Any books, workshops, resources that helped you learn leadership skills?

likeuplifting

Again posting since my last post did not got attention. Wanted to ask whether it's good to switch to big 4 India advisory role from a mid tier organization dealing in tech and ops. Additionally, they offered just very low percentage on current CTC saying that I am coming to a big brand.
Plus my current financial situation is stressful and I accepted the offer on certain conditions but now hr or the firm but saying we can't committ you. Any suggestions.

like

I graduated in May of 22. I transitioned from being an intern to being a full time counselor, now for 6 months. I feel like I might be catching my agency at a tough time, but as an employee it doesn’t seem to be trying anything to keep me here besides the occasional ‘motivational’ posts from the administrative team. I felt like I was lowballed during my offer, and my negotiation salary was denied since this is technically my first “professional” job. Pt 2 in comments:

like

Considering moving from BD/Partnerships in tech to Corporate Development. Has anyone here done it? Did you like the switch and do you have any pointers on getting in

like

I have been in client facing wealth management as an advisor for 10 years. I haven’t built a book of business because I’ve worked for mostly discount brokers (Merrill edge, TDA, Etrade). I want to know how to transition to a non client facing role in wealth management or another financial role. I am series 7 and series 66 licensed. Any thoughts?

like

Considering a jump from FTE back to consulting. I have roughly 8 IT YOE, CSPO, CSM, and my MBA. I'm considering a Sr Product Owner role with the mind set of moving to Product Management within the next 1-2 years. With that background and currently being in a candidate's market, roughly what should I target as my salary?

Right now, I'm at 100k with 5% bonus as a BA.

like

Hi im having 3 yoe having 2 offer 1.Nice x+2 variable+1Joining bonus 2.Bitwise x+2 fix which one i should join plesae suggest in term of job security and learning wise

like

Hi guys,

I switched 20 days back to Optum. I have 7 years of experience working as a full stack Engineer, who is passionate working on both front end and back end on latest technologies. But my project is working only on back end with 10 years old tech stack. There is no front end work at all. What should I do?
I don't like working here at all, but I am not sure whether moving out again in a month will give bad Impression on my resume. Hence please give me advice on this situation

like

Looking to exit into the Airline industry. Currently a manager at a boutique firm, focusing on procurement and supply chain. Any advice?

like

What are some of the more common exit jobs that audit managers take?

like

I am graduate in Commerce and have completed 4 years in TCS BPS - BFSI domain.
I need to switch to another Company because my growth has stopped here.
I need to develop skills and I am ready to do certifications.
I just need little guidance.

More Posts

Hii all,
I am a fresher currently with these options. Persistent Systems Limited - 4.71 LPA
BNP Paribas - 5.50 LPA
Capgemini - 4.20 LPA
IBM - 4.50 LPA
Wipro - 3.50 LPA
Harman International - 5 LPA(+50k joining bonus)
Can you suggest me which one to choose among these?
Thank You!

like

Almost 2 years out of AD, and now thinking about going back to the Reserves to get my TSCI and just cause I miss it. Does anyone have insights on fed consultants’ salary with a TSCI?

like

May be a very naive question - Do Novartis provide comapny cell phone based on the designation?

😐

Anyone know what is the eligibility for promotion in Harman and when that gets reflected? I have 9+ years of exp expecting designation change by this year. I completed 2.5yrs in Harman

like

How To Be Productive when Your Job Is Boring

I’m losing my damn mind at my job. I’m 23 years old and I’m a very ambitious, hard working individual but my job is literally so boring, I feel that all of my habits and skills are slowly deteriorating. I mean I do nothing all day, most days.

Im tired all the time, I can’t think of anything to do. I try to watch educational videos/pods, but there’s only so much. Any advice on how to fill in the time in a productive and entertaining manner?

like

I work for a tech company that pays 100k tc plus 50,000 stock options. I have great work life balance, work 4 days per week on a 32 hour schedule plus it’s remote. Lately, I’ve been feeling like the compensation is on the lower end and just wanted to see if it’s in line with industry standards

What’s our bereavement policy for PDM? Lost a loved one yesterday…

like

No misogynistic comments allowed! Happy Women’s day!!!

Post Photo
like

Found this and thought it was hilarious

Post Photo
likefunny

I have a question regarding taxation of joining bonus.

I recieved a joining bonus of 1 lakh from my previous employer in last fiscal year which was taxed.
I resigned from the organisation before completing 1 year... Which will be deducted from my last month salary.
How does taxation works in this case.

Hi,

Does KPMG lighhouse India provides Internet Charges reimbursemenr, if yes how to claim it?

TIA

What has better WLB and comp, being a heme onc physician or climbing the ranks of D/SD/VP in R&D or commercial strategy for an oncology line? Not taking into account initial path to get to these positions.

like

What is the base pay for senior manager in consulting at EY in LCOL?

like

Hey guys i need some suggestions for senior node js developer interview.

Interview for @Globant

like

Hey All,
I finished a third round interview, and HR contacted me that afternoon saying I had positive feedback across the board and they would contact me the next day regarding next steps. It’s been two days and they finally get back to me saying they haven’t been able to sync with the hiring manager but will keep me posted. Honestly I wish they would talk with the hiring manager and then let me know the decision instead of checking in. It’s messing with my emotions.

Hi ,

How is job security at Freshworks ?

Thanks in advance.

like

In my notice period in TCS decided to hunt for interview in other company after one month, within 3 months i should able to get any offer letter from companies.m I doing the right thing,any openings please let me know guys.

like

Can someone explain to me what law clerks are in private practice? I'm based internationally but deal with our NY office a lot, and I can not figure out what the title actually means/where it sits.

like

Anyone know what Greenberg Traurig is starting at for entry level positions outside NYC? Can’t seem to find a source

like

How bad is it for a junior to push back against a completely psychotic mid level? I don’t know how this mid level hasn’t been fired because they are even rude and bossy to partners and are a nightmare for juniors. I’ve decided enough is enough and am now pushing back against their arbitrary deadlines and other insane and unnecessary asks. I rarely work with this person and have good reviews. Am I asking for trouble?

like

Additional Posts in Student Loans

Damn LIBOR rate up again...

SOFI or who else?

If you didn't have to pay off any more of your student loans what would you use the money for instead? I'm stuck between something impractical like a trip somewhere or something I need like a new car lol

like

Not mad that student loans being paused means I can use the money for Christmas. Are you still making payments during the pause? Or are you saving the money for something else. My christmas present to myself is a spa day!

like

In a perfect world how much would you want to make a year to both pay off your loans and live a good life? I think I'd need to make upwards of $200k to pay off my loans, take care of my family and live a fulfilling life.

like

Curious to know how much your student loans were when you graduated from your program, how much you’ve paid off so far, and your age. If you have any varying factors too, like kids, income range, etc. Just trying to see if I’m on track or slacking in life. I am 34 yo, i graduated with 95k in student loans, i currently have 85k left and i make 85k in come. I’m also a single mom with two kids. Just praying for 100% student loans forgiveness. Wishful thinking???

like

Has anyone refinanced their student loans on h1b visa? Is common bond the only option?

I have a 25K loan from my MBA. I paid off 100k whole, after graduation. 3 years ago, I moved my loan from federal to private ( SOFI) account. I recently lost my job. I have applied for unemployment, as the severance that I received will only cover for 2 months. Together my husband and I used to make less than 250k after tax. Now, with a loss of pay , we are going to make less. Do you think I will be eligible for Loan forgiveness?

like

If you could go back in time what would you tell yourself before taking out student loans?

like

Are you doing what you thought you would be when you took out your student loans? If so, do you feel like taking out your loans was worth it?

likefunny

Can grad students get $20k forgiven if they got Pell in undergrad but outstaning loans are only for grad school?

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal