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Just left Accenture for ey. Great culture and better teams so far. I'm happy with the move for now and got promo and raise
I was at EY before and prefer D. Deloitte's consulting brand is much stronger - EY is still in the works of building back their consulting practice. Deloitte has better people, internal tools and a more generous expense policy....
If you do good work and want to advance at a steady rate, without putting in ridiculous hours then EY works.
I can agree that we may not hire the cream of the crop talent from grad or undergrad and don't have the deepest talent depth though. I've met a few horrible M's and SM's, a lot of mediocre ones, and only a handful of rockstars. But it's a solid place to work, I've been happy so far in 2 years here
I'm a Deloitte lifer, but my experience with other firms in the market supports the following: Deloitte has the strongest Big 4 brand ==> the brand allows us to recruit better campus talent. ==> that allows us to win better projects ==> that allows us to retain better talent.
The culture is more cut throat and openly political than the other Big 4, but this benefits the best consultants. We have the highest proportion of variable pay in the Big 4, so the best are awarded for superior performance. (This does lead to a higher proportion of competitive Type A personalities, but they're also talented and professional, making great colleagues.)
Although the politics are a challenge, every firm has them. The good people that have left D for other firms from M or higher, all left for political reasons. The ones that remain are better marketers and consensus builders, so the management ranks are stronger both in sales and execution on average. A highly competitive culture that rewards talent and hard work is a healthy company with less dead weight and more resources to invest in their growth and top performers.
EY OTS is leading class
^^^^ WOW ... now that is gone too far. Encourages ??????
@EY5 - what practice are you in ? You surely sound a bit disgruntled
@M1 - Any organization whose leaders penalize someone taking legitimate concerns backed with hard evidence of wrongdoing to HR has cultural issues.
EY culture by far. Just read the post re: Deloitte's Impact day - tells you everything you need to know. You put a bunch of highly competitive folks together to "give back" and it they turn it into the f'ing Olympics and they entirely miss the point. Imagine what it's like on real projects?!
It's not surprising that deloitte is more established than ey because they never had to restart their consulting business. But we are actively displacing deloitte (and others) at clients. Can't speak for advisory though, don't think they're doing too well
EY SAP is their strongest but is no where near Deloitte, Accenture or IBM. PWC is also much stronger. EY hasn't done many full installs and still lacks the depth of training programs of their competitors.
They struggle in Oracle given the channel 1 status which also hurts them with Oracle analytics products as well.
Because EY doesn't also do a lot of Oracle or even Dynamics, it will struggle here. Because Ops and IT are so interconnected, this also hurts the Ops groups against Deloitte and Accenture.
Yes EY does not have the big offshore delivery capability Deloitte/Accenture/IBM has for SAP. Without this offshore capability EY often times ends up being more expensive than the others, and lose out on bids.
^and overworks the teams when work is won, forcing ghosting hours
They simply aren't as good particularly at the staff and senior level especially given the lack of integrated training programs. Then they cost as much as firms that can out perform them.
How many ERP PPED's are over 20M in revenue? Not sales but revenue? I knew 3 or 4 at EY with 2 way out ahead, all were SAP. At Deloitte there were a few dozen.
And yes those partners and their teams are over worked and pulled in too many different directions.
@PC1 - you seem to know EY pretty well. Where/Are you in EYs SAP practice ?
I worked with SAP a lot when I was there. TAS-OTS, only recently hired a head of IT who is ex-Deloitte and fantastic. SAP teams and partners were in most transactions but I also worked with Oracle at times. Ops links closely with technology.
2 pped's in SAP that I worked with were outstanding, other than that, I wasn't terribly impressed.
Anytime Deloitte .. if you aske me to compare between D and PWC or Accenture, then it's all together a different discussion
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@D1 - PWC has fewer levels that Deloitte. EY and PWC had the same number of career levels.
So you've never really worked there?
@D - where were you before D ?