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You have the right to say whatever you want, but that doesn’t mean what you say doesn’t have consequences…not criticizing your boss on paper/email is common sense 101

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D1, I’ll just say that I still would rather see Musk run it than what we’ve seen with those currently managing it. The situation you’re proposing may happen to some level under Musk, is already happening to a high level under its current leadership so I’m expecting it will still be a net gain

The limits of first amendment doesn't apply to private companies - only to government

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People thinking they're clever when they say "the law is the law!" Yes, we know that, but some of us are saying, should that be the law? Is a world where people aren't fired for making critical (but non libellous) observations of their employer a better world?

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I mean, you might not want to criticize the majority owner of a closely held enterprise after he set a note requiring workers to come to work. Issues w/ Musk notwithstanding.

Public company different story, but you gotta really lack common sense in this scenario.

Free speech is doesn’t guarantee no consequences.

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Agreed. Free speech doesn't guarantee no consequences and I think all the folks critical of his purchase of twitter would agree. But to call yourself a free speech absolutist and only you can save speech and Twitter by taking it private. But this is how speech is handled at his current private company.

At least the banned Twitter users were warned multiple times that they would be banned if they continued saying the things they said. And just like Twitter's policy on what speech can be banned, SpaceX HR policy on what speech is fireable is subjective.

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One important detail I saw was those initially involved didn’t just write a letter, it looks like one of the biggest issues according to the spokesperson is they spread it around trying to get people to sign it so it was causing issues of people feeling possibly pressured and it was a big distraction as well having everyone talk about it

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D1 - you don’t work at SpaceX for the wlb. It is a once in a lifetime opportunity to be part of something unique and special. The greatest scientific achievements have come with tremendous sacrifice. Spacex engineers have it incredibly cush compared to those before them. He is trying to land humans on Mars. That will not happen with a bunch of employees whining about his views on politics.

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Huh? This has nothing to do with free speech, this is just inappropriate conduct and harassment in the workplace. They deserved to get fired. People love to hate on Elon Musk, but what do you think would happen to you if you did the same to Julie Sweet?

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And that’s what Elon did SC1, lol

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Only a child or a flabby liberal could be surprised that the right wing has no intention of supporting freedom in any consistent, substantive sense. It is merely a strategic lie to be trotted our here and there for credulous fools.

"The Right has no scruples about using every kind of demagogy, every political and ideological slogan that will enable it to dominate the situation of the moment...The Right is primarily after power, in the fight for power it is prepared to advance any leftist slogans that can count on popular appeal. Let us speak openly: contempt for ideology is the strength of the Right because it allows for greater flexibility in practice and for the arbitrary use of any facade that will facilitate the seizure of power. The Right is backed not only by the inertia of old customs and institutions, but also by the power of the lie; true, only a little way, but far enough to enable it to master the situation. At a given moment these ideological slogans are exposed as tactical imposture; but the trick is to make sure this moment comes only after the situation at hand and the police are at one's disposal." - written 50+ years ago.

FWIW it seems like Musk became more explicitly aligned to Republicans to find allies in his perpetual quest to repress and control his workers and bamboozle the public without interference from pesky lawmakers and regulators.

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D’s are only virtuous, you see? Recommending a Disinformation Board operated by the government (LOL), packing the Supreme Court, supporting policies cause inflation to reach decades-highs, and peddling the utterly false Russian collusion hoax for years. They’re the good guys, everyone! Listen to D1!

Personally, I have no intention to buy any of Elon’s stuff ever based upon his behavior. I can get an EV somewhere else….

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Thanks A2, the wait list is long enough. Appreciate your sacrifice

The left is the one who started this mess of patrolling free speech. I don’t think these people should be fired though that’s way too far

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Pwc1 I am dumb please explain

Elon Musk is overrated

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Mr. Free Speech Maximalist

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Musk isn’t a savior of free speech. He’s like every other savior… you can say whatever you want as long as you agree with me and don’t criticize me

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Not an Elon fan but this makes sense. Now they can spend their time drafting personal letters on someone else’s payroll. Clearly they are unhappy.

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When you share nyt link … lol

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Hello? This isn’t a government or democracy. SpaceX is a corporate entity that is primary governed by capitalism before harboring free speech fanatics. Also free speech goes both ways, yes you have the right to raise an issue through appropriate channels (if it were something like harassment, sexual abuse), but if you’re going to point fingers against the owner showcasing the “best interest” of HIS COMPANY, then the owner also has the right give a proportional response (firing you since you tried to raise an army). This issue is none of the employees business. The owner has free speech to say whatever he wants on twitter, so taking a U turn and saying oh the employees rights are violated is gross double standards. You have free speech, you also have consequences…..

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Bud, yes you’re right. Twitter is not a place to uphold your constitutional rights. It’s a product platform. Use it if you want or use another product. It’s a free market.

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Private companies are allowed to do that (it doesn't mean that they won't get sued afterwards for retaliation) - Also, Do I think Elon Musk is genius yet an arrogant dirtbag? Yes. But he also needs to be held accountable for not being socially responsible when it comes to influencing his followers to make unsound investments (dogecoin, hence the 258 Billion dollar dogecoin lawsuit) and his conflicting statements about Tesla that caused many investors financial grief... where are the Feds when you need them?! SEC basically only gave him a slap on the wrist for the Tesla tweets... I can't wait for the day when reddit groups short Tesla stock to the ground. That day will come!

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Repeat after me. Corporations are not democracies.

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No, no, see.... "Free speech" means that men with power should never experience consequences.

Those people weren't important enough to qualify so clearly it doesn't count.

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Free speech within a private company vs a digital public square

If a housewife with children expressed concerns about how her husband treated her, and he responded by divorcing her and potentially sending her into poverty... Would all these same people here jump up and say, 'THAT IS HIS RIGHT!!' as they are now? Fixating on what one legally can do instead of what one should do, ethically speaking, is the absence of thinking. Whether Musk is doing something ethical or not is one thing, but people here condemn even asking that.

There is this bizarre fetish of solidarity with someone who does not care about you and never will, but you prefer that they create an atmosphere where they are free to repress and coerce you... Just as many of these same people separately express concern about mistreatment at the hands of their boss, as everyone does from time to time. This fetish is thankfully receding somewhat as unionization and worker autonomy (eg fight to work from home) is becoming more popular.

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