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Management is often targeted when companies reorganize, and the bottom line is often a top priority. From what you have posted, I am not seeing that age is a factor.
I’m keenly aware of the subtle effects of ageism in the workplace. For example, I’m a PhD in my 50’s and have done a ton of different projects in tech. Over the last few years, we have seen the emergence of the newest AI models. However, rather than get opportunities to work on this new tech, companies hire new grads freshly trained on this work, while more senior workers are only given work in areas they have done before. I find the only way I can combat this is to learn things on my own in my own time - which is not optimal when you are taking care of kids and parents.
Until you are laid off! You are still optimistic and have not had to face the daily prejudices in hiring against more senior, well educated persons! I have since June 2024! I have lost my house because of it and now am living in an RV! I pray this never occurs to any of you
My ma told me about her experience with it in my early 30s and I didn't get it. I didn't relate at 40. Now pushing 50, ageism is pushing me... out of every door. It's real. It's not something old ppl talk about, it's a curse that you don't see until it's TOO LATE for you to have impact because it's YOU that's old
No age is a huge factor if being interviewed by a millennial! They did a survey and Millennial’s do not want to hire their mom. Their exact words!
That doesn't sound like an absolute case of ageism. The purpose of layoffs is to cut costs, so it often happens that people with experience will be targeted just because they're paid more. People often assume layoffs will follow a "last in, first out" scenario, but that's only one way it can unfold.
The easiest and time-honored process of cutting the old and secure for the young and temporary isn't new. It IS the cutting costs and that's why it works. Who can argue when it's an easy two-fer is what I'm saying. PPL will always see the forest, and miss the trees...
You were cut for pay, not age. Age discrimination is illegal. Pay discrimination is not. And due to decades of lobbying, the burden of proving you were termed illegally is on you, not the company.
Age Discrimination is illegal especially when you see your disclosure document which states ..age and job classification of employees eligible or selected for the program: ."job eliminated" Age="64" but corporations find a way around getting sued!
The day after the tariffs were decreed, the large industrial company, that has a contract with the consultancy I work for, started shrinking and cutting projects, as well as contracts.
Needless to say, they laid me off.
Over 50, kid going into college, another will be graduating HS in two years, some medical issues with expensive prescriptions for me and one of my kids, and a wife that needs her gallbladder removed.
I wish I knew in the moment what to do.
I’m going to have to do some thinking before I tell the family. To top it off the Market is sinking and inflation is rising.
Sorry to rant on.
Your wife needs to and has a right to know. The two of you can decide whether to tell the kids, but this is not something to keep from your partner for even a day.
From experience, I know very few managers that actually make a real impact. Most of them are only there due to tenure and not ability. If I was in a position where I needed to cut people, I'd absolutely be looking at management first.
Agree with previous posts. Your position was probably made redundant because the business need did not require a management wheel just a cog. The assumption may have been that if the junior employee was laid off, you as the senior would not pick up the remedial work. Age does not seem like the obvious issue here, but utilization and cost does. BTW sorry that you were laid off, never easy.
So the green employee is going to assume the manager role after 4 months? Come on.
Wait until you start looking for the next position, then let's talk ageism. You will interview with people 20 years younger. And I believe companies think we are retiring in our 50s, and experience and knowledge is more expensive. In reality, or my case, I will not be retiring for quite some time. I just want to work, not climb any ladders and will not be changing jobs in 1-2 years. It is rough getting rehired.
I’m actually thinking of retiring from corporate work in a few years and just do a lifestyle company - provided my savings can survive this tariff market bs.
Yes, I’ve been recruited by other FAANG companies for new contract positions even while the same companies had large “efficiency” layoffs at the same time in the same areas. Companies now only think short term and no longer cultivate their employees. If they had a choice,
I’m sure they would rather replace everyone with AI - we’ve seen this in the banking sector where they install more ATMs and lay off more bank staff.
Which is crazy, IMO, since people have OVERWHELMINGLY been saying we don't want that since robot "customer service" reps. Companies are out of touch...
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If you were impacted by a large-scale layoff, your chance of making a credible claim of discrimination is incredibly low. You are one of many, and your particular circumstances are viewed as part of the laid-off cohort.
Also, terminating managers and not ICs is just a basic layoff structure.
My friend did it and won in court
Middle management is usually first or second to go. Upper management protects itself at all costs so they'll kick out expensive senior employees (to be replaced by young and hungry newbs) and middle management (senior management will take more direct control and not fill the position)
Our company is doing well, but they decided to outsource the project to cut costs. 40% of the people were let go. Some of the people who survived mainly because of favouritism, and they also got promoted. Really infuriating. This cost cutting is a red herring. Company may not be discriminating based on age, but when you go out look for a job, guess who they will hire ?
Yes I've seen similar to this. I was recently with a major physical security firm that outsourced their entire non managerial IT/Tech staff... Overseas. Yeah the security implications didn't register. Since the data is technically stored in the US the higher ups didn't grok how this was a risk. Came down to. US employees were too sr and experienced. As a result too expressive. So now. They have 2 to 1 head count ( 2 of them for every one of us) who are 13 hours out of sync with the rest of the company.
Yes age discrimination is illegal but happens all the time. A former company i worked for did this all the time. As I looked around at my layoff meeting, 90% were over 50. They'd rather pay lawsuits off. You also had to sign a sheet that you would not sue them in order to get your severance which I imagine is standard practice. They commonly let people go and had no idea what they did.
What's driving this are the endless ways mediocrity can be glossed over. When that kid meets something he can't handle he will be admired for tacking something "so difficult" that you used to do as a matter of course.
I absolutely dismissed complaints of ageism when I was younger, but in my mid-40s I got laid off and noticed the same thing. Many folks were older, like me. And getting a new job was obscenely difficult because I work in tech, but tech tends to be younger and younger folks are intimidated by older folks apparently. Even though, ironically, when you get older you don’t see the gap between your own age and younger folks as all that significant. But they sure seem to. I was told I interviewed exceptionally well and was virtually perfect on paper, but it still took 1800 applications and 200 interviews to get one good remote job offer.
Now I understand why I’ve heard advice that by your 40s you need to be starting your own business, because you become steadily less employable thereafter, particularly if you’re not in management.
My former employer had a canned PeopleSoft report in an "HR only" folder that returned a list of associates for possible layoff. The formula it used was the employee's age plus years of service. The first time I looked at it, the value was 75. By the time I left, it was down to 62.
I have had similar experiences like this one. I have found that a large number employers do not follow the law when it comes to age discrimination. Every employer knows they can easily find the age of any candidate and work around the law, My advice is to keep looking. There are companies who truly do not age discriminate and in general those companies tend to be more diverse in the workforce.
They do it all the time where I used to work . i was not paid a lot but am older and got laid off . Replaced me with a contractor that they wanted me to train (can you believe it ), Have seen the them lay off older very talented people and replace them with fresh outs too. all about the budgets , this is in a very large top 10 company . and they wonder why they are always reinventing the wheel
Oh absolutely I think ageism is a thing. This happened at a startup I was at because the VP didn't like me and was a absolute snob. My productivity numbers didn't matter. My strong relationships with my customers didn't matter. All the revenue I brought to the company didn't matter. None of it matter because I have grey hair. What the actual flip is that?