Was laid off by Google and told I can roll my 401k into my IRA. Currently have ~$40K in my 401K; half traditional & half Roth. Also have a traditional & Roth IRA - use the traditional to backdoor contribute to my Roth.

Do you recommend I convert my traditional 401k money to Roth first before moving to IRA, or do the rollover first, and then convert from traditional to Roth in the IRA? Know you can only convert $6K from traditional to Roth in the IRA each year.

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To avoid pro rata you can't have any balance in the traditional IRA at year end. I would fund your backdoor Roth to the $6000 for 2022 and $6500 for 2023 and leave the rest in your 401k. Or if you don't mind paying taxes you can convert the whole thing to Roth without limits. But you want to pay the taxes with cash from outside the accounts not with cash from the accounts.

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For example I just want a separate IRA account that is always funded after tax and non deductible, and that is fully converted to a Roth IRA. That IRA is zero by year end but another IRA holding the rollover still has a balance.

Can you wait until you’re employed again, then roll over the 401k into the new 401k?

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Would you give it up?

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Why not just leave it in the 401k? I assume google’s plan is second to none and may have funds that are even cheaper than outside

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