Weigh-in with me for me- SF ->> London

What would be some of the favorable reasons to move from SF to London. There are intangible reasons making me consider London such as like the city and buzz, easy to travel to Europe or Asia, but don’t know about economy, taxes as US citizen, and also will mean about 40% pay cut (some career hop for my spouse)…

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I’ve lived in both. How long would this be for? London wins hands down as a better city, proximity to travel (Sf is miles away from most international travel), cleaner, proper public transport etc. But no doubt the career opportunities are worse especially if you’re in tech. There aren’t many tangible financial reasons to move (and I’m sating this as someone moving back to London this year lol)

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Husbands job (but I’m british). I’m taking a pay cut but he isn’t so we’re netting out in a decent spot between us

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Londoner here. Do you want to live your London dream or become wealthy? You will never be wealthy in London on a London salary in consulting, but you will live a nice life.

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Lived in both and would echo the above:
London is cheaper - way cheaper
Salaries are lower - way lower
London is cleaner, better for families generally
Careers in tech & media have been dwindling in London, but I expect it to rebound once hiring rebounds
Travel to APAC and (obvs) EU can be a huge plus

You should consider if you will move back to the US in the near future (say within the next 5 years). If yes - I would caution considering any financial benefits, as there likely wouldn’t be much upside (you’re not going to profit on buying a flat, for example)

Taxes are a bitch.

Overall, I left SF because of the state of the Bay - and how unfriendly the whole state has become to anyone trying to live there. I moved to NYC 4 years ago and couldn’t be happier -

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May be will move for couple of years but who knows after that one wants to stay, move somewhere else to Europe or return.. so not going with mindset that it’s forever!

Another thing that bother me is generally macro, Europe being in so much trouble overall, wars, not sure how much of that is real, how much my mind sub-consciously fearing destabilizing as—is in SF

I got my MBA in London and moved to SF after graduation. I’ve since left SF and am living abroad (not London).

London is a way better city in terms of cleanliness, public transport, arts & culture, green space, proximity to travel, no guns, etc. I think it can be best summed up by the fact that I never saw human poop on the street in London, which was common in SF. I’m also not outdoorsy, so the SF upside of being close to nature activities was definitely not a plus for me — but if it is for you, you have to get way out of central London to experience unmanicured nature.

The only thing I netted positive on in SF was post-MBA earnings: $140k vs. max £85k when I graduated. Unless you plan on maintaining a lot of US investments with dividends and capital gains, you won’t be paying any US taxes since UK taxes are higher and there’s a tax treaty. You will be paying way less in terms of healthcare (the NHS is free or a nominal fee, but you will be paying in terms of time waiting for an appointment/ER triage/elective surgery), transport (you don’t need a car in London proper like SF, and there are daily and weekly fare caps for the tube), European travel, and arts & culture (a lot of the museums are free and West End tickets are reasonably priced).

I would choose London over SF even with the financial hit. The quality of life was so much better.

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I will say there are random things that are way cheaper in London like getting a cleaner, or someone to cook you food for a couple hours which cost an arm and a leg in SF (obviously the pay cut doesn’t solve for that but once you have a minimum salary in London life is really good)

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Don’t lol and just visit or vacation there. Your London salary will be complete garbage compared to your sf one

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Yeah, but we get a proper pension, real holiday (30 days) and free healthcare, so…

London is one of the worst deals in Europe now - amazing city, but cost of living makes absolutely no sense and almost 1.5x in the last 4 years.

If you want a short transfer for 1-2 years, go for it, but avoid it for the long term if you want to have savings.

I moved to Zurich since then - the best decisions of my life.

Pros:
1. US level salaries
2. Low taxes
3. Great nature
4. Middle of Europe

Cons:
1. Very expensive, bur London is approaching fast
2. It is hard to integrate with locals as non German speaker, but expand community is vibrant
3. No big city vibe, but that's can be a pro for some

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