Anyone else work in ID/litigation with high billable targets, plus a working spouse and young children? Any time management tips and examples? Been doing this over a year now and feeling like it may not be sustainable if I actually want to spend time with my family and not choose between that or sleep. Seems like burnout is setting in.

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Get out of ID… you’ll have a whole new perspective on life!

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Associate 2 - nope. Just many years of billing experience and very efficient in capturing my time. I also don’t have anything cut unless I cut it myself bc all my work is for my own clients. I don’t take lunches and work straight through the day. I also have a lot of smaller tasks that tend to add up as opposed to bigger projects

Get out of ID. If you want to stay in the Insurance arena, go to a plaintiff’s firm - you will make more money and have more free time. ID is only fun for partner level trial attorneys that have a decent book, love being in the court room, and prioritize work over a balanced lifestyle - which is not a bad thing, ID experienced attorneys are just generally built different, as I’m sure you are already aware of. Most Plaintiff attorneys are making a killing these days. Give it a thought. Also, try to go in-house with an insurance company - good pay, easy billables.

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Haha I love the comment that we are built different — that’s a good way to put it — it’s frustrating at times to be looked down on by others who couldn’t hang for one reason or another. ID is not for everyone and people figure that out pretty quickly.

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Set your own personal limits and priorities. I'm a non equity shareholder at the moment after leaving in house. I bill 2200+ and work an eight house day with plenty of flexibility to run errands and deal with kids. Sometimes I work after bed time to make up for running errands during the day since the kids are still unvaxxed and can't run with them. Pre covid I'd set a rule of no working weekends or nights except trial prep and was mostly able to stick to it.

The harder part is taking vacations and unplugging. Cases move quick and it's a volume type business. It doesn't pause for your vacations so I still find myself working a few hours a day. No tips for that yet.

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I have zero tips, but you’re not alone - I’m right there with you 🥲

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Definitely doable. Been doing this for almost 10 years now. Not 100% ID but a decent amount (less now than it used to be) with a billable requirement of 2200. I have a 6 year old and a 3 year old with a firefighter spouse (so not around most of the time...) my tips would be to stay on top of putting your time in so you don't get behind, make yourself a schedule as far as what to accomplish each day (doesn't always go according to plan but at least it's something), and if you can find a couple things to do on the weekend or pick one evening a week to work later that will lighten up the other days of the week. It can be difficult, but also very doable. I still make it to sports practices and train for triathlons. Breaking up your day and planning out when you're getting your billables done can be really helpful in making it all work

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I am scared now. Going from government job to private ID and billable is 2000 a year. Full time working spouse with two young kids 5 & 3 months 😭
Someone tell me I’ll be Okay 😂

Sounds like you shouldn’t do it dude

What do you consider a high billable target?

Above 2100 minimum and bonus eligibility over 2200.

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How young? Get a nanny so your young kids are at home, plus no drop off time. Work from home. Pay others to do as many of your chores and outsourceable duties as you can.

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