I'm beginning to think that salary negotiation is a myth. All the career advice says to negotiate, but in 20 years, I've never met a hiring manager willing to budge even $1. They just say, "This is our offer, take it or leave it," and that's it. What am I missing?

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I’ve never had a hiring manager NOT negotiate.

The salary might be fixed, but PTO, signing bonuses, retention bonuses, and profit incentives are all usually negotiable.

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I've been in recruitment for about 10 years, and it is definitely a myth. The people saying to always negotiate are either influencers or they work in an industry where this does make sense.

But, there are many industries where negotiation isn't an option. In these industries, they've already determined a salary range that fits with the budget, and they've already looked at how much their existing employees are making. Their offer is usually in line with the skills/experience you bring and also aligned with current employees. So, someone with no experience shouldn't be making more money than a current employee with 10 years with the company. It's just not fair, so that means there's no negotiation. I've also had situations where the candidate sells themself short, and I offer what's fair based on their skills/experience and in line with the current employees, and it's more than what they asked for. It's a tricky process, and it's not at all like negotiating a car sale.

Most of these recruiters will be up front about the salary from the beginning. That said, you can sometimes negotiate on things like vacation time, so that's something to consider.

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The only time I’ve gotten a raise was when I was planning on quitting and they gave me something just to stay a bit longer. In terms of starting salary they prefer hearing something in the bottom of the range. If they like you, they’ll bump your salary up to something nice at the first end year review. Also had that happen to me.

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If you are working in a field with a lot of other applicants the advice is less/ not useful like call center/ entry level IT. Also you need to take in market conditions, it’s still not an employee market right now.

With that being said if you are a highly sought after candidate in any current trends, say PHD in anything AI related, the world is your oyster. No better example then the multi million dollar sign on bonuses for my example

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Salary negotiation isn’t the same as getting a higher salary. You should absolutely always negotiate - but it doesn’t mean you’ll be successful.

It depends on the role - if you’re a CSR, it’s a fairly easily substitutable role, so companies don’t need to throw money at people to get them to accept a role.

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Part of negotiations is be willing to leave. I got myself a 10% raise like that

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Have you always worked as a customer service representative or similar roles? These positions are often not ones in a position to negotiate salary as they are not considered highly technical or require specialized higher education. This isn't an opinion to belittle you, but rather to explain the logic behind our corporate overlords who determinant this methodology down to HR and hiring management. To them, there really isn't much difference between you and the fry cook at McDonald's outside of what your role is and I would guess you aren't asking why McDonald's staff isn't negotiating salaries.

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Your negotiation skills may need some work. I've always negotiated salary and always been successful, including signing bonus along with number of vacation days.

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Really?? I've successfully negotiated salaries and/or raises at each of my jobs, at least once. Are you making your case based on market rates and also your own skills/experience? I wonder if you need to hone in your approach?

For me it’s been mixed. Earlier on I never negotiated but in recent years I’ve tried more. I’ve only been successful on a couple of occasions but at least I try now when I know it’s on the table.

I’ve had some luck and sometimes not - for me the biggest unlock was how I phrased it and my confidence in what I was asking for

That’s great would you be willing to share specifically what you said and how you said it?

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I’ve had the same experience where companies just give a flat offer and won’t move. I’ve started focusing more on negotiating things like PTO or remote days instead of salary, and sometimes that works.

You’re interviewing at the wrong company then. If they can’t budge even $1, there’s probably not going to be much growth

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