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I guess it's sort of a function of how a lot of work places are majority white. If a team has one black person and the other four are white it would be the easiest way to describe someone.
If there was only one white person it would be natural to describe them as so.
D1 exactly. This is America where statistically the majority of the population are white. If you went to India, and we're working on a team there, it would likely be quite common to say "the white guy sitting next to Rajiv". Come on people, we've really gotta loosen up around here.
I like to point out when white people are white. So many white people in this country don't seem to realize that whiteness has a culture too and it's no longer the "normal" that the US strives for. Diversity is the normal. Whereas in India and almost every other country (maybe not U.K./EU) diversity is abnormal so it is more appropriate to assign race to the abnormal white guy and not to the "in" crowd.
I don't see it as a problem, it's a descriptor. Like "Ashley is the blonde girl in the corner" it's just a more obvious descriptor when whites are dominant in the room. And D5- I LOVE that you pointed this out. I've been reprimanded (by white people) for referring to someone as "black" instead of "AA"... I don't know where you're from! I also will say "brown" instead of Asian, Indian, etc. and have had the same reaction from whites, where as the brown person doesn't even flinch.
I'm black and I'm ok with it. There's nothing wrong with seeing and embracing who I am. Isn't that the inclusiveness every firm is allegedly striving for?
I take great pains to not use color as a descriptor, but I've had situations where it's just not getting the point across after multiple attempts: "The guy with glasses and a blue coat... purple tie... no, next to Joe... between Joe and Kate... 🤦🏼♂️... the black guy." At that point it's super awkward because the other person now realizes I was trying to NOT use color.
its fine. chillax
While very practical it can further division and exclusiveness. It will certainly upset people who believe that this is an aggressive act. Since it's important to truly include everyone I don't do it.
I use race as a descriptor sometimes even when referring to white folks. It's usually only when I'm talking to someone I'm comfortable with though, who I know well enough to not be offended. Wouldn't use it in front of clients or strangers.
Well usually it's true in the situation. But I'm a black guy and I'm not offended by any of that terminology or reference by race. I'm just glad I'm not being referred to as the N word, in a derogatory way.
Coming from a black guy, using race as a descriptor is extremely helpful.
I just had a convo where someone was trying to describe a coworker to me and was like "you know he's the tall guy, has short hair, pretty fit." And I was said, "hmmm like every single person who works here. Are you talking about the black guy?" And they were. Then I got uncomfortable and then wondered if it was poor form to mention race. This post has been very insightful.
M1 the percentage of white people in the US is 63%, not 80%. You must live under a rock in a white people bubble to think that. Expand yourself please
I was on a project with mostly Indian and South Asian people so I used "white" as a descriptor.
So far every single non white person posting has said they aren't offended by using that (race/skin tone) as a descriptor (they know they are) and also frequently do so themselves. It is a statement of fact (not an objective assessment such as old/fat/boob or butt size) that we all see. By talking around it you're making it a bigger deal...as several folks have provided examples of
This thread reminds me of Robert Downey Jr.'s role in Tropic Thunder. "What do you mean "you people"?". "What do YOU mean "you people"?!?"
@Booz this is just like reality. People of Color saying things over and over and white people ignoring them.
What a great convo. As a white guy, I'll use race when it's the easiest. Although, if there's an equally distinguishingly identifier I'll err on that safe side.
Yes.
I'd read the room. If the room is 4 white people and 1 minority, I'd even be cheeky and say "the only non-white person in that room". However, if there's more diversity in the room or you're trying to find someone in a cube, I'd use anything else.
I don't see why not. It is what it is, get to the point. Screw political correctness.
I don't see any problem with it.