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Chief
That is how you adapt and adjust and survive! Go Brooklyn!!
Excellent post OP 👍
Chief
I’d like to thank EY 2 and Senior Consultant 1 for ruining a perfectly good and positive post about people in Brooklyn adjusting to the new of doing things. It was all good until the whole thing devolved into an argument about authoritarianism and semantics. Good job team 🤦♂️
Is one day of no bitching and sniping on here too much to ask?
Chief
It’s not my “scapegoat.” I don’t think you understand. You were disrespectful to me multiple times and despite my calling it out, you did not acknowledge it in any way. You burned the last ounce of patience I had when you pulled that sneaky edit. I’m not engaging with you on that or any other topic because I don’t see you as a person worth talking to. Please stop addressing me.
Chief
People are out taking walks, riding bikes, and shopping. 90% of people are wearing masks. Bars and restaurants are open for pickup and have rearranged their furniture to accommodate social distancing. Folks are lining up outside grocery stores and popular bakeries that are enforcing limits on the number of people allowed in at one time. Groups are sitting on stoops, with flights of steps between them, and having pleasant conversations. The cops roll by and nothing happens. Where is all the authoritarianism I’ve been hearing about? What freedoms have we lost?
Preach OP
Rising Star
Karen can’t get her Karen cut. She needs to speak to a manager.
Rising Star
Heaven forbid some of those complaining ever be drafted for a war, or those back home have to endure wartime rationing of basic supplies.
Guys come on. There are business owners that have worked their whole lives that are seeing their businesses suffer and may not recover. They do not even have the opportunity to run the business they built.
EY2 Bringing up deaths isn’t a straw man point here. I brought up the loans to share my opinion that the deaths we’re preventing with lockdown measures outweigh the losses to small business owners particularly since the losses have been lessened by the loans.
And again, I acknowledged my perspective is only my own. And again, I said I suspect that there will be another wave for borrowers. And again, I said it’s not perfect but benefits > costs.
40 million Americans have filed for unemployment since March. I can see why they might be upset by the lockdown. Not everyone works in advertising or food service.
That’s not how I read your first comment, but I guess I didn’t pick up on your creativity ;)
We were told we needed to stay home to flatten the curve, which we did. I don’t get why we’re still locked up, virus isn’t going away so what is the plan? I’m fine staying home if there’s a reason, but it’s not doing anything to keep businesses closed at this point unless I’ve missed it. Maintain social distancing, start opening businesses and protect vulnerable, people who don’t wanna risk it can maintain current status quo and stay in until it’s clear, companies let employees do what they feel is comfortable
At the beginning, I am all for lockdown. Now, no. Reality is that, unless we have medicine and vaccines ready, we have to coexist with the virus.
Well everything you listed is compliant with social distancing. What is your point with cops and authoritarianism?
Chief
I keep hearing people saying that our constitutional right are being taken away and that this crisis is being used to impose authoritarian measures. I’m a bit mystified by that, since people seem pretty free to me.
Chief
I wonder if general perception would be different if the danger was visible, like a pack of wild animals, or a never-ending hurricane or tornado. People wouldn’t be blaming the government for curtailing their freedoms, the nature of the situation would be immediately apparent.
(But then we’d also have the ability to easily know where the danger was, which I acknowledge. No metaphor is perfect.)
Pro
New york has been super self regulated overall i feel.
Most countries had very militaristic style lockdowns with curfews
Chief
I can only speak for my experience here, but I will admit that it might be easier to self-regulate when you see firsthand how bad things can get.
"D.C. police said that since March 15, officers have visited businesses 27 times to investigate reported violations of orders by D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) pertaining to gatherings and staying at home. They include restaurants allowing inside dining, a club packed with patrons listening to a live band and employees having a meeting inside a store."
"The District’s Department of Consumer and Regulatory Affairs (DCRA) has visited more than 500 businesses to make sure the orders were being followed. The agency said it shut down 7 businesses and issued 63 verbal warnings."
When you agree with the lockdowns and don't see or feel the negative effects, it doesn't feel authoritarian but that's exactly what this is. Just because YOU aren't being harrassed and you don't feel it or see it your immediate surroundings doesn't mean it isnt real. Communities of color always feel it first and the most when police states are in place. I'm sure you wouldn't have thought anything was out of the norm when Bloomberg had stop and frisk going in NYC either.
Chief
Where’d the article go?
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I saw a funeral in Bed Stuy today. TONS of people crammed into a church