Maybe this is the socialist in me but shouldn’t Moderna and Pfizer waive their patent exclusivity for their Covid vaccines? Don’t we have a moral obligation for the world to vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible?

It blows my mind that many countries won’t be able to vaccinate most of their people until 2023. There should be access to vaccine generics

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You should probably stop conflating ethics (which you do seem to have in you) with socialism (which anyone with a brain should run screaming from, despite incessant brainwashing).

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Fair. And the answer is complicated. On one hand, it’s easy to say “of course” but on the other, the fact is that the logistical and storage requirements for those vaccines make them almost non-starters in the very parts of the world who need them most in any event.

Without patent exclusivity, what would be the motivation to invest billions into the development of it in the first place?

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SSD1 how much of that went into the development of these vaccines? At the end of the day you live in a free market society. If a company has the ability to develop the vaccines (with or without taxpayer money), manufacture it, conduct preclinical/clinical trials and commercialize it why shouldn’t they make money on it?

People forget there’s a lot of work that goes on from initial grants from the NIH or public Universities (if that’s the case) to bringing it to the market.

Money is the worlds greatest motivator and thinking of Pharma companies as anything other than is naive. At the end of the day they’re a business.

Would you work for free?


Do I think it’s right? No.
Do I think it’s the world we live in? Yes.
Can this change? Maybe but not in our lifetimes

The technology behind the vaccine isn't exclusive to just Covid, which is how they were able to make it as quickly as they did. Billions of dollars and decades of development went into it, so I don't see how they could simply share it for free, letting any manufacturer which did not invest those billions then profit off of their R&D for decades to come. A better solution would be to enter into additional partnerships for manufacturing to speed up production and delivery.

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Yeah this is probably a more likely option for everyone involved and hopefully something that can actually happen for the rich countries, but not as quickly for the others falling behind

A socialist country wouldn’t have the resources to have invented the vaccine. Js.

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Is it because the tech is going to be used for many other vaccines in the future? seems that the shelf stable vaccines will be better for many countries.

I guess that’s true but mRNA viral use has been in research for quite some time now even though this is the first application, this process will lose exclusivity anyway once technology becomes more accessible

Why not speed it up so we can reach global herd immunity sooner, and before further and stronger mutations arise?

No, but they should enact partnerships with other pharma cos to manufacture and distribute.

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