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Hi Fishes, Any senior staff engineer here, role associate project manager at Nagarro. I would like to know more details about project allocation and work you do. I recently got selected as one. I can see a lot of heat from developers against nagarro here but what about mid level management such as associate project manager!??
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In my opinion, MD and partner are a whole different game. I rarely see MD/P do any delivery which is what I enjoy most. And I can manage my travel and workload well enough to enjoy my family time as well.
I agree with K1 that just because I’m good at my level doesn’t mean I’m ready or good at the next. If I were to go for MD/P, I’d have to give up some of my family time as well as what I like to do. More money is great but we work to have quality life which include family. If I’m giving up that to get more money, why am I even doing this?
Other notes: PML always say I’m a high performer during every year end review. I assume I’ll be meeting the metrics YOY, and have some value to the firm.
And I’m in Big4.
Well said. By the way, “some” of your family time is a massive understatement. The other part is predictability. Once you go to MD, it’s not Mon-Thursday at your regular hotel. It’s three cities a week, and never the same ones week to week.
It’s great to see that you love delivery. You’re right to say it’s pretty much your last chance to focus on it.
Agree with OP. I barely find time for anything as SM and the next level is unthinkable. The constant running around over different proposals, internal initiatives, delivery, managing all sorts of personalities, trying to build teams, orals, reviewing decks all the time, being pulled here and there is totally draining me. I’m finding life to be very challenging right now.
For us, if you’re about to make partner, it’s pretty much the exact same job as partner. You’re focused on selling, and you have enough relationships and pursuits that you’re working on- hopefully you’re not getting too many cold calls for proposals from stuff you’re not intimately involved in
Depends on your compensation and whether there are any changes to your leadership. Happened to me as well.
OP, never really understood folks like you but it depends on the firm also and your skill sets. If you’re truly doing well then be transparent about your intentions and you should be ok.
I’ve seen people sit around this level with no problems for ten years. Beyond that typically the person is or becomes more of a SME. This sort of thing has occurred to me periodically, but often after a few years I feel ready and up for the next challenge.
D1, what don’t you understand?
Anyone is who performing well at director means they are meeting or exceeding their metrics, in which case it shouldn’t be that difficult to do so at the next level and make significantly more money. But if you’re just getting by then this all makes sense.
I disagree. Doing fantastically at your current doesn’t mean you’re ready for the next. They are totally different jobs.
One of my partners told me that when you’re a Director the phone rings off the hook for you to come help on proposals and Orals, as well as being staffed on projects. Good for the numbers. When you get to MD, the phone doesn’t ring. It’s totally true.
The question we should be asking is why an awesome director can’t be paid great. The answer is, in some cases they are, but not nearly enough.
I disgaree with the above in all aspects but to each his own. I travel m-Thursday and am a road warrior, happy to take lead and get a promotion i deserve - up for it but we shall see. In my case, very little will change except compensation. If you can’t handle the time and travel this job demands then you need another career. Regarding deliverables, it’s all up to you. I’ve seen partners who are highly engaged and same applies to directors.
Given the PML reference, OP is obviously with KPMG. Are you? If so, what practice? Having been a Director, MD and now Principal, it’s not a hypothetical; it’s my experience. I can’t think of another practice in Advisory where D and MD are the same jobs, or aren’t that different, but all I know is what I know. Educate me.
I think you will find that some things become more manageable as you get promoted. Especially if you have good people to depend on
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OP - might depend on your firm. If sales slow down you may be one of the first to go as your rate will probably be higher than others around you. We are all expendable and there is an army of talent ready to take your spot who do want to progress to the next level. Short answer: give it a shot but have a backup plan.
@D1, this thread isn't about you.
Are you a partner ATK1?