One of my juniors has been consistently delivering sloppy work product over the past 1.5yrs. I’ve tried everything, including practically begging her to listen to my feedback. Yesterday she said in our (virtual) practice group happy hour that she’s thinking about leaving the law to study veterinarian medicine. Now everything clicks - she might just not be interested.

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Sounds like she isn’t even pretending to care, and caring is half the battle in this profession. If you don’t have that, then I’m not sure what else can be done

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First of all, good for you for trying to teach her. Many people in our profession wouldn’t invest the time you have. Please don’t give up. Keep investing and teaching. It won’t stick with everyone but it will with some, whom you will help become great lawyers and your lifelong friends. And you’re doing your profession an important service.

That said, if I was in your shoes I would for sure cut her off. Relationships work two ways. I invest in young people and create opportunities for them. In exchange the give me their best work. If I don’t live up to my side of the bargain, they are justified in moving on. And if they don’t live up to their side, I’m also justified in moving on.

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Is it OK if I cut her off from my cases? I’ve tried to develop her as much as I could but now that she practically announced she wants to leave and that this job is just for the money, I don’t see the point of trying anymore.

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As someone who finally landed an associate role in a firm people have heard of after years of working to prove I deserve it, I see no reason to send work to someone who doesn't want to be there. Find another associate who seems promising and give them a chance.

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I think it’s okay to cut her off. She’s checked out and considering another profession at this point. Working together is only going to make you both more unhappy.

Snip snip! You may get some heat from her later on if she makes a connection between what she said and the sudden drop off of work, if she even cares enough to notice. My bet is that she won’t notice, but oh well, if she does. I don’t see any reason to keep feeding her work, especially if her work product is subpar. Seniors cut off associates for that alone. You’ve already gone above and beyond.

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