One of my juniors has been consistently delivering sloppy work product over the past 1.5yrs. I’ve tried everything, including practically begging her to listen to my feedback. Yesterday she said in our (virtual) practice group happy hour that she’s thinking about leaving the law to study veterinarian medicine. Now everything clicks - she might just not be interested.

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

Sounds like she isn’t even pretending to care, and caring is half the battle in this profession. If you don’t have that, then I’m not sure what else can be done

like

First of all, good for you for trying to teach her. Many people in our profession wouldn’t invest the time you have. Please don’t give up. Keep investing and teaching. It won’t stick with everyone but it will with some, whom you will help become great lawyers and your lifelong friends. And you’re doing your profession an important service.

That said, if I was in your shoes I would for sure cut her off. Relationships work two ways. I invest in young people and create opportunities for them. In exchange the give me their best work. If I don’t live up to my side of the bargain, they are justified in moving on. And if they don’t live up to their side, I’m also justified in moving on.

like

Is it OK if I cut her off from my cases? I’ve tried to develop her as much as I could but now that she practically announced she wants to leave and that this job is just for the money, I don’t see the point of trying anymore.

likehelpful

As someone who finally landed an associate role in a firm people have heard of after years of working to prove I deserve it, I see no reason to send work to someone who doesn't want to be there. Find another associate who seems promising and give them a chance.

like

I think it’s okay to cut her off. She’s checked out and considering another profession at this point. Working together is only going to make you both more unhappy.

Snip snip! You may get some heat from her later on if she makes a connection between what she said and the sudden drop off of work, if she even cares enough to notice. My bet is that she won’t notice, but oh well, if she does. I don’t see any reason to keep feeding her work, especially if her work product is subpar. Seniors cut off associates for that alone. You’ve already gone above and beyond.

Related Posts

Hello, I’m starting my 1L in August. I have 2 years of experience in supply chain management dealing from data analysis to procurement and vendor relationships. I see my law career in working in that intersection between law/compliance, supply chain management, and technology. Does anyone out here work on such field? Does it even exist?

like

I am currently working as a telecom consultant. What should I be learning if I want to get better job opportunities in better companies.

like

Hi all - just joining and looking for some guidance! I am currently in an IT internship position (making pretty solid money considering) and following this summer I will stay on part time during my senior year (discussing a full-time job offer after already). I’m getting my computer science degree, so I would like to do something more technical in the workplace when I graduate. How do I advocate myself for that to my manager without sounding unappreciative of the position I’m in?

like

I’m planning to buy the study materials for the SHRM-CP certificate through Amazon. What are the best ones to obtain?

likehelpful

Hi, I recently moved to Canada for the onsite opportunity of my project but I am not at all happy with the salary paid to me because of high cost of living in Canada and I am currently having a closed work permit.
Is there anyway I can change job in this situation? If not, when can I do that?

Thanks.

like

Is it common for a copywriter to transition into account/project management within digital marketing?

like

What steps should I take to become a marketing manager in 4 years? I'm currently a coordinator but I'm very goal-oriented. Determined to achieve this!

like

What is the best way to find a job at a startup? I’ve been in a major Fortune 200 company for the past 6 years, and I am looking for a change to the startup career path to build companies from the ground up.

like

Hi, I'm getting lot of interview calls for SAP SD Consultant but they want someone experienced 2 to 3 years of experience, 1 or 2 implementation done, support or rollout etc, Relevant experience of sap is zero I have, for BFSI industry is 3+ years I've, so what would u suggest??I'm not getting any work, 5 months gap already now in doing SAP course, hana certifications etc,any fresher in SAP, how u made it in SAP? I'll start working anywhere now, in SAP I'm not getting anything, tired or have i

like

PwC (Cloud Digital practice — Director ) Vs… Deloitte (AI Cognitive practice— Sr Mgr.) …
Where would you go as an experienced hire….

Better long term stability ? exit opportunities ? Work life ?….

like

How is Persistent in terms of Appian projects? Does it have good development projects in Appian and what are the chances of growth?

like

I have been working as a Sr BA with 3 YOE for Uber. I have the following offers

1. Zomato : Product Analyst , 21 LPA all fixed

2. Meesho: Snr. Business Analyst, 20 Fixed + 12 Esops (3yrs vesting)

3. Uber: Manager (L3) - In process (mostly they'll match to retain)

4. Google: Product Analyst - In process (I'm confident I'll have something but process would last longer, and I have will have to take a call on above 3)

I have an incline to build career in product. Suggest me the best.

like

Hi Fishes,

I have joined coforge on November 2nd and I got offer from ITC today...Can I switch to ITC by obscanding will there be any issues...Please guys please give your suggestions

Anyone ever move from an internal role to one with external clients? I manage a learning function for a line of business and pondering the next move: industry, startup, consulting...

Hi all - Trying to pivot into Cybersecurity/Infosec after 7 + years of experience in Network Engineering. No security related certifications. I have enough work experience in network security to match 60-70% of job requirements for infosec positions. Capable to get CEH/OSCP certifications in a few months, but want to wait until I get my foot into the door before investing 2-3K on these certs. Any advice for me will be greatly appreciated.

like

How many of you have left or are planning to leave therapy, and what did you transition into?

like

Hi Fishes,
I got an offer from
Maersk IT department bangalore..
Can anybody say how is the work in Maersk. Is it worth joining Maersk. How are other things in Maersk, like job security, yearly hikes, bonuses etc..
I have one more offer from IBM, with nearly same package.

like

I’ve been working for a company for 25yrs, looking for advancement. I’m considered an SME, managing people, Vendors and working on large system conversions. Have provided long term goals. When requesting feedback I’m told I’m on the right path, no suggestions on what to improve. I asked about timelines for advancement and not being given anything concrete. Recently interviewed with another company as a Vendor Mgmt partner. Individual contributor, high visible position with potential. Thoughts?

like

Anyone have the CFF from the AICPA and willing to share their studying/exam experience? Curious about required effort, study plans, exam structure, overall opinions of the cert. Thanks!

like

Hi! how is PwC India’s Management Consulting- Finance Transformation aka Finance Effectiveness practice? In terms of career growth, WLB, leadership team? Thanks! PwC PwC India Deloitte USI Deloitte India

like

More Posts

Had a flight out this morning on AA and volunteered my seat due to overbooking. Gate agent initially said $575, after boarding was complete she said she’s going to give me $850!

like

What is happening at Accenture... are recruiters being fired?

likefunny

Anyone here working in the tech consulting practice in the NE unit easily able to get local clients in the city?

like

How many peeps we got in here?

Tomorrow is the first day of the new work week. What are your goals for this week?

like

Guys need a referral for the job opportunity at Mercer. Please help!

like

Two more weeks until the new year. Is anyone else struggling to finish the year off strong?

like

Hi Fishes, I cleared an AVP role in JP, Hyderabad. I'm currently at 22 LPA and JP is offering a 45% on this. I have 17 years of experience and 13 years association with Deloitte. Should I consider this offer. Deloitte has great flexibility, my last annual bonus was 3.2L. Does JPMC has flexibility and what other benefits do they offer?

like
like

Hello Everyone, Is Microsoft going through hiring freeze? Any insight that Microsoft employee can provide?

If it is hiring freeze, how long it can last (approx)?

Microsoft

like
like

As a Creative, do you prefer voice or video for initial project discussions with vendors? How do you feel about follow-up video conferences to go through vendor treatments?

like

I am yet to join servicenow as backend developer senior software engineer. Will there be too many expectations from SSE role in company?? Please guide

Hi everyone

Is there any disadvantage if I get relieve on Friday compared to on Monday?

What I am thinking is I will be loss pay for sat and Sunday?

Actually my last is 27th
I asked for a week early relieving so thinking about this.

Thanks.

like

Anybody know anything about Nicholson de vos Webster Elliott for patent pros? Culture, pay, hours etc? Mid level looking to lateral

I’m struggling. I left an agency I liked last year due to growth limitations and since then I’ve worked at 2 different agencies and can’t seem to find my footing. The first one seemed like a good fit at first but then it turned out to not be the best place for me so I left. At my current agency I feel super undervalued. I’m always raising my hand and offering to help where I can and no matter what I do, I don’t feel utilized or valued or part of the team.It’s really taken a toll on my confidence

like

Any utilization review nurses working at an insurance company able to share if your company requires work on weekend/holidays? If so, what work do you do on weekend/holidays snd do you work s full day on those days?

like

Hi friends,
Any idea about the SAP hybris commerce vacancy in SAP?
I want referral if there is any vacancy.

like

Fishes, what about work like balance in PwC UK, SAP practice?

like

Additional Posts in Law

Does anyone have any experience or insight as being an attorney for tech start ups?

like

Is there a market for lawyers to add expertise In crisis management or reputation management? My goal is to counsel clients on how to respond to media inquiries without saying or posting something detrimental to a potential litigation while still maintaining communication with their client base. If so, how to break into that industry? Courses? Books? Certifications?

like

honest question: why does everyone hate Lewis Brisbois?

likefunny

How many billable hours per week is considered at capacity? I’m getting pushback on boundaries I’m setting about additional matters and marketing work from my firm when I’ve been billing 60-75 hours per week for the last 6 weeks, and I’m still behind on my work. I feel like it’s reasonable to not kill myself further to fit in more/turn things around faster at this point, but am I being unreasonable? I expect my workload to remain at this level through the end of the year at least.

like

Anybody know the starting salary for a second year associate at Gray Robinson in Florida (not Miami if that makes a difference)? Thinking of a lateral in and want to know what I’d be working with. Bonus structure? Minimum billable req.? Bueller?

like

Want to negotiate salary at an AMLAW200 firm in atlanta. Not a lot of public information about what peer firms (ie, not NY lockstep firms matching cravath scale) pay. What are mid-senior level associates making in Atlanta?

like

How much is fair pay for a 3rd year litigation associate in NYC?

like

I have a promising interview at a relatively large law firm in my area (+100 attorneys) next week. The position is for a transactional role in their real estate practice group, and they are seeking someone with at least 2 YOE. I have a bit over 7 YOE with a strong real estate/commercial lit. background. Over the past two years in my current position, I've been doing a lot more transactional work. The split is around 50% transactional and 50% lit.

(Continued below)

like

Has anyone transitioned from litigation to corporate counsel/contracts type work? If so, how’d you like the change?

like

When do you update your LinkedIn when lateraling? I have a week off in between firms and am unsure as to when the appropriate time is to update my profile. My first day at the new firm? Or after finishing at the old firm?

like

Does your firm give you credit for hours that were written off? Sometimes I feel if you don’t lose anything for hours cut from the bill, you have incentives not to be 100% honest w/ your timesheet.

like

It happened again today. I was walking from my car into a building and remembered I had forgotten to lock my car. I had the urge to turn around but I remembered that the only valuable thing in my car was my work laptop. And I would cry tears of joy if someone broke into my car and stole my work laptop. Can anyone relate to this feeling?

funnylike

Recommendations on an exceptional career coach who can help my husband? He works with his brother at a startup his brother founded (my husband is in-house counsel) but often finds himself belittled by his brother, cut out of conference calls and emails and generally feeling like he has no skills. He's an ivy league graduate and went to a great law school but for many reasons cannot leave this job right now. Looking for someone to help w/his confidence level and ways to approach his brother. TIA!

like

I have a law student shadowing me tomorrow. Do I just have her watch as I answer emails, draft MSJ, etc ?

like

About to start a new position doing cross border securitization and structured lending transactions. What should I expect as a first year and how can I prepare?

like

Procedural question. I represent a hospital. Codefendant is a company that manufactures breast implants. Case was venued in NY state Supreme Court. Manufacturer defendant transferred case to MDL (we hadn’t answered yet). Plaintiff gave me stip of discontinuance with prejudice but now since case was removed I am unsure how to proceed. Do I file the stip in state court still? Does MDL have jurisdiction over the hospital? Can a hospital even be part of a MDL lawsuit? Very confused! Thank you!!!

like

Any trial prep tips and tricks for an associate second-chairing a medical malpractice case for the first time?

like

I do a mix of corporate governance and securities law. Is it wrong to pass on tax questions? I truly don’t understand tax law and feel incompetent to answer tax questions with any accuracy.

like

Those in ID at regional firms: what are your billables and how do your bonuses work? I’m curious to see where ours are in comparison. 2,080 requirement.

like

I’ve practiced litigation in DC for about 5+ years at a larger plaintiffs’ firm, and am considering a switch to a defense firm. Is there any insight to how many billable hours this would require, and how much time that would actually be? For reference, the firm has a 1900 billable hour requirement and the partner said I would have “no problem” fulfilling that based on the work they have.

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal