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Yea, we've been asking why firm leadership and partners are predominantly male when women have been graduating in higher numbers for decades too. It starts with interviews and hiring, we get weeded out in the middle by the hostility and toxic cultures, despite our hard work and often superior dedication and work product, and for those of us who do make it through the associate years now end up as counsel, not as partner.
They basically created a special gold star position to sideline women. Women need to conduct a coup and hostile takeover to change the culture and system to be habitable for us though or it's not going to change. Us being there and our work product is not enough.... it's not going to change who makes it to the top. We'll just end up being disposable labor to support rich old white guys.
I was told that articling interviews that, despite first class standing + piles of law school awards, good references, that I "just came across as a washed-up middle-aged woman." I was 38, retrained from a career where I also won myriad top awards. I never, ever heard my "mature" student peers receive this sort of feedback; seven years later, many of these guys are already partners while I'm still floundering to find a solid career.
Stop asking firms to make sure their diverse employees are the ones who do OCI. I, a female senior associate with a toddler, do not want to be guilted into doing this. As it is I have to put time aside in my day to do callbacks throughout the summer because inevitably female candidates ask to speak to a woman with children.
It really is okay if OCI is run by the male partners in their 50s who don’t mind taking an entire day to talk to law students.
It doesn’t sound right, because it is not.
Women are half the law school population but they’re still a minority of law firm partners.
Old ass white men still sit in the positions of power at the firms and elsewhere until the next generation finally pushes out the geriatrics
They don't have enough senior women. Less than 30% of partners are female.
https://www.americanbar.org/news/profile-legal-profession/women/#:~:text=Law%20firm%20partners,-For%20all%20the&text=The%20most%20prominent%20example%20is,according%20to%20the%20NAWL%20survey.
Because working conditions are terrible for women. Because working conditions are terrible for mothers. Because law firms are run by men and the ideal woman lawyer, as far as I have been able to see, is a Barbie doll who is 25 years old. Because sexism.
I am the only female equity partner in my office of about 60 attorneys. I am a corporate lawyer and I found out the other day that a second year female associate candidate came to interview with the corporate team. Not one female attorney interviewed her in person. They paraded potentially 6-7 male attorneys in front of her. I presume they did not ask me to interview her because I am pretty candid and I'd tell her about the boys club and the likeability trap that women face. Regardless, she accepted another offer without even waiting for my firm's offer. Wonder why?
For those wondering, the likeability trap for me is that women in leadership roles often face a double standard where they are expected to be warm, nurturing, and approachable. When they enforce expectations or provide critical feedback—especially in a direct manner—they may be perceived as "difficult," "harsh," or "unreasonable," whereas a male counterpart would be seen as assertive, strong, or simply doing his job.
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Most lawyers are still men, especially at the hiring level. It’s only a recent phenomenon that there are more female law students.
OP partnership is still skewed very heavily male not to mention leadership
At most big law firms being an interviewer is a volunteer activity
That seems assbackwards.
Although the entering classes are typically a good distribution of male and female, most women leave the law or big law as they get a family or have more kids. I am a female, and many of my female friends who started big law with me are long gone bc they married well and don’t need a big law or law firm job anymore lol
A4: though harder the more successful a woman becomes!
OP while it's true that women make up 50+% of the law school population, I dont thinn you understand how many leave within 5-8 years after they marry and start having kids.
More to the point though: what difference does it make in your daughter's life what the gender is of the person interviewing her, as long as she's getting interviews?
And why are you babying her? She's an adult now.
Maybe she wants to know whether she will leave the law firm in 5 years or just not start now
Was interviewed by female partners at multiple top law firms. Probably just how it happened.
Same
Most of the women in my group leave for in-house positions after a few years. It’s hard to have young kids and hit billables. Not impossible, but it’s hard.
Because most people at law firms who are high up are still men — including equity partners, hiring partners, etc.
Welcome to the real world, where sexism is still very much a thing.
In my experience women and POC are disproportionately asked to do recruiting and other similar tasks
Now that you say it, I’d be interested in the stats.
So interesting bc I feel like it’s the opposite. I feel like women often volunteer for office housework, and are overwhelmingly the interviewers.
Yeah I did dozens of interviews as a young associate. Now I avoid the nonbillable stuff.
Just tell your daughter to look up women on the website and ask them for coffee if she wants to specifically connect with women attorneys. There are tons of us.
May I ask what kind of firms your daughter is applying to? The answer is because the new wave that is females dominating the legal field is approaching, but it will be a long time due to generational and societal practices and beliefs – that men belong in such positions. This is a practice and belief that has passed from generation to generation, so it will be a long time before this statistic is erased. Similar to surgeons, though there are many female doctors, many more compared to decades past, surgeons are predominantly male, still. Another comparison is how women dominate the field of nursing, though there are more male nurses than there were in the past. This is all based on societal beliefs handed down from generation to generation. In big law, men do dominate the field, and there is a stereotype associated with firms associated with big law, that is, there is a fraternity like culture. Man looks out for his fellow man; man looks the other way for his fellow man. This, I'm afraid, will likely not change within our lifetime.
Biglaw in DC. Thank you for your insights.
BECAUSE it's a boy's club. Next question.
I am a lawyer who works for an accounting firm. I have about 17 years of experience and have held 4 jobs since law school but interviewed for many, and also worked as a paralegal before law school. I have only had one female interviewer. It was an interview at KPMG 😿Never had a female with the law firms.
I think at accounting firms there is a bigger chance to have a female partner interview you. I work with 4 female partners at PwC now but they just were not part of my interview process. And at KPMG I had one female interviewer, the other two were males. I do think it is worse at law firms.
That's funny, my son went through interviews and it was the opposite. Most of the people he interviewed with were women.
Mine too
I had 5 attorneys total for OCIs. 3 women