San Francisco looks like a different country. How do people here live like this? Is there no effort to clean this up? How bout employing the homeless to clean up?

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A lot of the concentration of homeless people in San Francisco is because surrounding towns and neighboring cities (especially conservative areas like central CA) tend to send their homeless and mentally ill people to San Francisco by telling them that they have services.

In fact, 60+% of San Francisco's homeless population has been in San Francisco for ten years or less.

This is also true of DC, NYC, Denver, etc.

If those communities actually allowed for the construction of treatment and transitional housing in their towns and cities, the problem wouldn't get dumped on a handful of cities that don't completely abandon their homeless people.

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SF’s homeless population has gone down by 200 people over 2019-2022. This is while the city’s budget to over those three years has been billions of dollars. 2021’s budget alone was $1.1bn.

$1.1bn to reduce homelessness for 200 people. What are you smoking to think that’s an effective use of funds?

We have decided in our liberal cities to take care of these people regardless of if they choose to take care of themselves. It’s a moral choice, not without its consequences, that I and many of my fellow city dwellers have decided is the right one. That choice is not the proverbial “progressive policy” that causes homelessness (though it likely contributes to the concentration of homelessness in certain areas). The root cause, both a liberal and conservative policy failure, (or potentially better described as a conservative policy masquerading as liberal policy pursued by liberals and conservatives alike) is housing policy.

Homelessness rates are most highly correlated with vacancy rates and rent prices. Homelessness is primarily a failure of housing policy, something that is not unique to, but is especially bad, in America’s large liberal cities.

High prices and low supply are root causes of an individual or family transitioning from housed to unhoused. However, for the vast majority of people, that’s a temporary situation.

70-80% of the homeless are homeless for less than a year. The system to get people in shelters and back on their feet works for the majority of people. Ideally fewer people would find themselves down and out so bad they experience homelessness, but that’s another story.

The remaining 20-30% who are chronically homeless is actually less than it was ten years ago, though it trended up in 20 and 21, so that’s small positive news. However, the vast majority of the chronically homeless also struggle with mental health issues, drug addiction, or both. There is currently no legally accepted mechanism for forcing the homeless into treatment or shelters so at best we can 1) reduce those that fall into short term homelessness thereby decreasing the opportunity for their homelessness to become chronic, or 2) offer them the proverbial “carrot” to get them back on their feet without any “stick” to implement enforcement. In short, our tools to address chronic homelessness acutely are quite blunt.

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Great response, thanks for sharing

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So you’ve never been to a metropolis before huh

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Well, I just checked and apparently Seattle now identifies as an eastern state. Jk. I think C4 is mainly honed in on the argument that warmer weather states (broadly west coast) attract more homeless people and well Seattle really is nit warm per se.

Why is this in the Consulting bowl?

Also, OP, you may want to read up on the structural causes of homelessness and the challenges associated with being homeless. There is a large proportion driven by untreated or undertreated mental health issues. Putting homeless people to work without addressing the causes of their homelessness and the instability they face doesn’t begin to approach a workable solution.

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I’ve lived in Philly and NYC for almost 20 years total. Nothing compares to SF. I don’t know why people want to live there.

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Yes bucks county is nicer than San Francisco

It's cleaner than New York lol

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Lived in SF for 8 years and NY for 3. Aside from the tenderloin, SF is much cleaner

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The urban decay of American cities is unbelievable.

I don't want to sound like the usual snotty European, but it's just crazy to me that a rich country like the USA has got so many drug/homeless/crime issues in its big cities.

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D3, I did not say they are related.

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Lol there obviously are efforts to improve the problem. But if your goal is to clean it up and not getting the people into stable housing, you have the wrong mindset.

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Tbh it’s not that bad but I lived in Philly lol

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Let me tell you, Kensington Ave is the next big thing. Get on now while prices are low!

I bet OP thinks 100k is minimum wage

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You can give them some credit. They have developed a high pressure water spray machine to launch the feces from the sidewalk into the air.

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💀 ☠️

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Dems are destroying cities in the name of woke culture.

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Just remember, San Francisco has a lower crime rate than every single Texas city, and it’s not even on the top 100 dangerous cities list

Also, if you’ve ever spent time in San Francisco you’ll find out that many of these people are vagabonds who do this by choice and enjoy it

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Makes sense…Heroin addicts are typically not violent

You haven’t been to different country

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No I think OP is onto something. Just give poor people jobs…genius! Make them clean after themselves and then they’ll make enough money to finally buy a house in SF. Less homeless people, less cleaning to do! Oh but won’t that mean there’ll be less work for them? That’ll put’em back on the streets :/

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