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https://www.pnas.org/content/117/15/8398
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I didn't realize one couldn't be culturally current as a decrepit 45-year-old. Who knew!
It should be illegal for companies to say that only young people can bring fresh ideas. And it’s bullshit.
Ageism in layoffs is a growing real issue in New York and it’s illegal. If you got hit call a lawyer.
@McCann gotcha. I would definitely challenge that response, legally and on the principle that young people are the only ones who can think fresh. That's lazy thinking on management's part
Get off my lawn.
MD1 I fully agree. It’s gross
Yeah and I spoke to a top employment lawyer too. She told me that bosses can be assholes and ad agencies can make an excuse to hire young people easily. The odds are not on the side of employees today. It’s all about corporate power
Most big agencies will now let go a wide array of ages when a culling happens, just to cover themselves. Mine actually gave me a sheet of all the titles and ages of everyone in the layoff. Then a lawyer told me that the existence of the paper PROVED that age was taken into account, which is illegal, even if meant to balance out the layoffs
Guys it’s illegal to fire or layoff people of a certain age the same as laying off only women or minorities.
What?
It’s really hard to prove in advertising. They want young people with fresh ideas. It’s not ageism, it’s being culturally current.
SMH
Director1 a lawyer told me that when I expressed concerns about how many older people were getting RIF’ed. They basically told me tough shit
@CW2. It was a strange discussion with the lawyer. She said that if someone sued, then they could produce a list showing the broad spectrum of ages. But since they produced the list proactively to try and deflect lawsuits, the argument could have been turned on them. I wasn’t convinced enough to try it
And this is why those over 45 have a very hard time in the industry getting hired. Age has nothing to do with being culturally relevant.
OP are you pursuing this?
Beat of luck OP!
@svp1 yes, exactly that kind of nonsense. It’s really horrible.
It's like this in hiring/firing: it's NOT okay to be racist, slightly more okay to prefer to hire a dude vs. a woman, and completely acceptable to be ageist (not officially though, obviously). I had not heard this about the ages being listed at during time/45 is the cut off. Glug.
*listed at firing time