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I know working mothers (and fathers) who “shoulder the long hours”, but set clear limits between work and family time (and hell yeah, I really DO hope they enjoy that recital). Just cause y’all are salty you haven’t found someone to create a kid with, doesn’t mean you need to belittle their choices or compare having a child to living on a boat. Like come on. Really?? GTFO.

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Or...it's a self-pitying mindset that ignores the work and effort parents pull outside "normal" work hours to make sure they're carrying their weight and more. If you have an issue with an individual, deal with it. Don't blame an entire group of hard working people for your issues. Also, if you want to go work from home at night or stop working at 6, do it. Set your own boundaries and priorities, so you don't resent other people so much.

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Yay I can’t wait for another childless vs parent fight on FB. If you believe that diversity in the workplace matters than that includes parents. If you don’t, then you are a dick.

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@media - 0 sense. One is about inclusion one is about your quirky preferences

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Wow, there is a lot of projection going on here. If you're feeling resentful for the long hours you're pulling, it's not your colleagues who happen to have families that are the problem.

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Don't worry, those of us without kids will continue to shoulder the long hours...like we always have. Hope that recital/check-up/birthday/little league event is great.

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Lol 😂 I was starting to get all triggered at the nativity of non parents here who have never had to deal with a toddler who got fed cupcakes at daycare then decides they don't want to sleep at bedtime and throw a tantrum. And think that when parents leave at 5:00pm they stop working.

Not only does technology keep us plugged in and able to work remote but when we go home we don't get to do whatever we want. We are taking care of another little human. That shits a full time job. That never ends.

Just because the magical moments make it all worth it, doesn't mean it isn't a lot more work then going home to sloth on the couch, or have time to go to the gym, or go out to the bars.

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If you think any agency is going to let me put in less effort and time because I have kids, you’re crazy. I just have to fit the same 70-80 hours of work you do in around the obligations I have to my family.

The hours may be structured differently but they’re all there.

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I think everyone can get around the idea that no coworker has the right to dump their work off on others because of things going on outside the office - whether those be family obligations (children or otherwise) or the fact that you got drunk last night and are hung over today and can’t concentrate. We can all cut each other a little slack now and then, but if it’s a consistent problem then it’s an issue that needs to be raised to management.

For what it’s worth, I’m just as billable with kids as I was without them. The biggest difference is that my schedule shifted. I’m usually in the office doing work by 8AM - so if you see me leave at 6PM, keep that in mind.

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We working mom creatives- all 30 of us got really really fast and really really good and then left at a decent hour (for most part) and still came up with ideas after we put our kids to bed because types like you Copywriter1 didn’t come through and we had to clean up after you. And when we did go home we taught our kids not to be as narrow-minded and selfish as you.

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CW1 and CW2 - really unprogressive thinking here. I'm not a parent and potentially have no plans to be but what's with the mean-spirited and self-absorbed comments?

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What are you talking about? Are you drunk? Where did I say that? And I don't even have kids. Parents don't work less than you, get that through your head. You MIGHT know someone who doesn't pull his/her weight who happens to be a parent - deal with that situation. If you want a different lifestyle (e.g. go home at 6), do that. It is literally your choice to stay or go.

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Fuck anyone that hates on working parents. Even if you hate kids, YOU were once a kid and someone had to take care of you.

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Now that I’ve gotten that off my chest let me say that we all need to be more supportive of our colleagues. Everyone deserves to have a life. I don’t give a fuck what you do in your free time but you deserve to have it just as much as parents do. I know it’s easier said than done but hate and resentment is not helping anyone

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All these parents keep going back to this argument that kids are a lot of work. Yes, I assume they are. I chose not to have ones yet for that reason. It is your choice to take on this burden (and blessing) but at work it’s all equal. Workload should be equal for parents and non parents even if non parents have zero responsibilities when they go home. That was their choice in life.

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Not everybody wants to find somebody to create a kid with

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What? That does not make sense. It really sounds like you have some resentment issues. You're right, we all have choices. Use yours, please, instead of acting like your life is completely out of your control and acting put-upon.

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The reality is that people like CW 1 and Media Strategist will never really achieve anything significant because they are too busy finding excuses and people to blame for being less than happy in their own lives. Working parents, you guys have enough on your plate killing it every day, don't waste your time on these guys (and I no longer will either)!

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Suppose I feel as strongly about living on a boat as you feel about having kids? Should I be forced to leave an industry because I value living on a boat?

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I won’t deny that agency life sucks as a parent. Unfortunately, it’s not great in other industries either. You can choose two things to focus on from the following list: your work, your family, yourself. That’s it. You get two, if you’re lucky. Many only get one. That is life in the modern world, at least in a major city. Unless something drastically changes, I don’t see things getting better.

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