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🙄 such a sad profession we live in that 3 weeks spread throughout the year is considered “often”
Start looking. Unless you are going missing during the day to run errands, regularly leaving early or arriving late, that is incredibly toxic and unhealthy.
Partners far too often manage by perception rather than reality.
Agree with the perception issue. It's also a bit of luck, sometimes when they need you you just happen to be out.
As much as you can while hitting your hours. Anymore and you’re just making the partners more money.
…how!?!?!?
My rule is hitting my hours.
If they want me to bill more hours, then that should be my budgeted expectation.
Not going to kill myself for partners’ pocketbooks.
Agreed. If I am meeting expectations and hours, I'll be taking the time off I want
Use all of your days. If you have unlimited shoot for at least 30
Yep my firm has unlimited PTO. And if your an attorney hitting your hours they don't say anything. I hit my hours while taking the PTO I want/ need to
I'm allotted 15 total days through the year, 5 sick days, 10 vacation days, but they can be intermingled. One year I saved them all up and took them at Christmas to go visit family I hadn't been able to see because of the COVID. It worked out that because the paid holidays, it worked out nicely. My point being that if you have allotted a certain number of sick/vacation days, they cannot dictate to you when and how you use them. If you wanted to take all 3 weeks off at once, they can't do anything about it. If you have the time, take it! That is what it is there for!
I second this! As long as you hit your hours, it shouldn’t matter. Just because others don’t want to use their time off in the same way, doesn’t mean you’re doing anything wrong. The time off is a part of your benefits package, so it’s your time to use.
3 weeks is very normal in any corporate job. Your bosses just sound toxic. It really shouldn’t matter how often you’re out as long as you get your work done on time and hit your hours
The appropriate amount to take is all of your vacation days
Please start planning your escape.
3 weeks. My non-lawyer friends get 4-6 weeks off. They never work more than 40 hours unless they get paid overtime. Half of them make the same base salary as me or higher. Their bonuses are higher than mine. Our profession needs to catch up. We work too hard for far too little, especially with exponentially more student loan debt.
Agree with all of this
We should charge more per hour
In the past three years, my family has gone on 4 family vacations, of 2-3 weeks for each one. Barcelona, Hawaii, Alaska, Paris.
I stayed home to work.
Apparently they were awesome.
Just too much going on in my cases. Didn’t feel comfortable spending so much time away. But you’re probably right.
3 weeks is on the lower end, pretty bare minimum. (I think the vast majority of professional jobs with accrued vacation days give at least 3 weeks). Not taking any vacations longer than one week is also pretty conservative.
How old are these partners?
Hopefully they will retire aka die soon and the generation that still thinks that way is gone from your current firm
If not, probably time to look for other options
They’re in their 50s and don’t seem like they will retire soon. But, even the partners in their later 30s have made comments that they would never have taken as much vacation as an associate.