Why does Morgan Stanley have manager and senior manager positions after associate? Makes it difficult and longer to reach VP compared to other bulge bracket banks.

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This is the finance bowl tho

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Fuckin Barclays bein a nerd

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No, across the firm at MS is Analyst, Associate, VP, ED, MD unless you are looking at HR/Ops/WM

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this is inapplicable to investment banking (ie this fishbowl). fishbowl would be more useful if all posters had both firm + role identifiers for context purposes

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Well there are not any “senior managers" or “managers” in say industrials coverage at MS. Perhaps you’re correct about some other line of business, but many people are unlikely to know which

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Why are Ops people on this app? Honest question

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I believe across the firm their hierarchy is analyst, associate, manager, senior manager, vp, ed, md

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I don’t understand what you mean mr. Barclays

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Ok

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The more the merrier but a quick IBD/Ops/S&T/ER in parentheses coulda made the first post less confusing. Actually role should be next to every post. An IBD analyst whining here about work life balance probably wants to hear from ibd people more than ER or ops probably

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Why do you care so much

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In IBK?

They also have senior associate

MS also has Director between Sr. Mgr and VP. A Director friend in Ops had a very difficult time applying for roles outside the firm because it was assumed she was ridiculously overqualified. I don’t know if they have all these titles as bait to work for promotions (rather than cash, but that’s another story), or what, but it's a huge problem if you’re trying to get a job elsewhere.

Yeah, in HR, Manager is btwn Associate and VP. In WM, it’s AVP. In Ops, it’s Director. Almost all other groups just label it as Associate.

Because it’s a finance bowl @Ass1

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