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The ageism conversation goes both ways cos the older creatives I've worked with at 3 shops: say Twitter is trash, don't use instagram and are hoping tiktok gets banned so they don't have to worry about it. I believe everyone is of value but it feels like both sides need to come to the table with humility. Even the teacher learns.
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This is a false dichotomy because from what I can tell, it’s the obtuse “older creatives” (and future iterations of these still in their youth) who think being young is necessary for the business.
This makes sense when you think about it though because their ignorance and lack of interest in learning new things are what they assume everyone their age and older share.
Most young creatives appreciate talented older creatives as mentors.
This business was, and always will be for the young. I was warned when I was in college that 50 would be the end and somehow I’d need to bridge the next 15 years to 65 for medicare and social security... but I never thought I’d still be here this long. Now, well... I guess I’m screwed. I hope you succeed with this cause. In the meantime can you spare some change?
Also, people over 40 cost more money and tend to have a stronger grasp on work/life balance. As agencies and holding cos. continue to squeeze and squeeze, older talent will be replaced for cheaper, more naive — and not necessarily better — talent.
Here lies the problem- agencies have plenty of $$ for salaries and freelance. Juicing the orange is part of the game for any business. But experience and tenured people have some incredible talents not found with those with 5-8 years in the business. So as a creative agency, would you not want a bigger juicer orange to juice? You’ll get a hell of a lot more of the good stuff from them.
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Plenty of people make it to 60. They are c suite. Global c suite. Big agency ECD. Founders and owners. Essentially, they are survivors, who now make enough money to not have to work as long as the average person. This is a cut throat game. It’s not easy, and it’s not supposed to be.
Wow...I thought you were going to end this rant with “this is Thunderdome!” I agree that most business is cut throat, but if this is the case, this industry needs to immediately chill on the human touchy feely Brene Brown bullshit rhetoric. I’ve seen way too many talented 40+ people forced out because they just wanted to use their experience and wisdom to do good work, but didn’t want to live the life of an advertising C-Suiter.
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It really depends on which department. Creatives? Yes. Other departments definitely have people who can last longer as those departments value experience over the next, new shiny thing. I’ve seen people working so long in other departments that they were collecting social security, too.
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Yes, there are shitty people that just think they know everything and don’t give a shit to where the world is going right now. But these are the the majority.
I think there are awesome people at their 50s and 60s, with such a humble attitude, hunger for learning and having new experiences. And we have to stop the bias against these people. The best Art Director I know in NY is on his 50s and no kid can do what he does.