A recruiter asked if I’d trade prestige for a strict 40-hour workweek at the same salary, and it genuinely rattled me. Part of me wants the bragging rights of a big-name firm, but another part desperately wants evenings that belong to me. It made me realize how much of my identity is tied to the prestige myth we absorbed in law school. Would you take the 40-hour job, or stay with the name brand?

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at
Highlighted IconHIGHLIGHTED

Caveat: Be sure it’s really a 40-hour workweek. This is a common way to sell a lifestyle firm, but if it lacks basic resources like paralegals and a document management system (for example), it will be more hours and hassle, with fewer exit options.

likehelpful

And also be sure that you’re doing the exact same type of work. For example, on week one: do not tell me that I’ll continue working on transactional deals, then on week three: send me off to work on various litigation matters heading to trial.

likehelpful

Listen, I get it, we were all there at one point.

But as someone who works in a much-derided practice field at a firm that isn't in the V20 (or even V50 lol), but who has: 3 houses, enough saved to last 10+ years if I were to stop working today, spent 2 months in Europe this year, and generally works less than 50 hours/wk...prestige is seriously overrated.

like

Tell me your ways… how do I get this?!?

like
Recent IconRecent

Same pay? The 40 hour job any day of the week. Prestige is nonsense. The average person on the street is far more likely to have heard of Cellino than Wachtell.

likefunny

Lol

like

Prestige mattered to me until I had kids. Now my time with them is way more valuable. I left work at 4 today and spent the evening with my family. I didn’t open my laptop once after leaving or send any emails. Tomorrow I have plans to get lunch with my wife after my morning meetings. Will also do pick up and drop off with my kids. Taking Friday and Monday off and per my boss’s instruction will not even look at email. My TC is about $300k/yr so definitely not slumming it either.

like

THIS! The only prestige that has ever really mattered to me, though, is the respect and trust of my colleagues. You don’t have that, you have nothing.

In many ways (e.g., n/i comp and hours expectations), where I am I have a lot of the same authority as a partner - e.g., I can open new C/M, serve as supervising attorney, provide advice to clients on an autonomous basis without running it past other partners, etc. It’s also been made clear to me that all I have to do if I want to make more is bill more. I am paid very well for what I do bill. And I have the time and flexibility to spend with my family and do other things. That’s priceless.

like

Prestige in a vacuum isn't worth the extra hours, stress, and everything that comes along with it. If you are a younger attorney and still have plans to be actively rung-hopping on the ladder of your career, prestige may actually have financial value down the road when you take your next job. There is something to be said for building a network around where you want to go and working at a prestigious firm may or may not do that for you. Something to think about.

FWIW, I started my career at a prestigious firm (for my midwestern state anyway -- before the consolidation boom all around the country), then went in-house for 20 years (and ultimately became general counsel), and have recently chosen another path and started a solo practice (confidence to do so came from the reputation and network built through the first two roles).

like

I would take the 40-hr job. In fact, I've done both. And that is where I landed.

like

Yes…work life balance is incredible and you don’t even have to take a salary cut. Most people don’t get that. There are other ways to stroke that prestige itch anyways. Join some private clubs. Go to galas. Etc. they’re more fun than work anyways

like

I started at Skadden and got so many recruiter calls pushing “prestige”. Before the end of my first year I knew “prestige” was bs and I just wanted interesting work, market pay, and more of my life back.

like

I have not once thought about prestige. I work at a small firm, I'm incredibly intelligent and good at my job. Most people outside of the profession have idea what firms are prestigious and most attorneys that I've worked with that work for the prestigious law firms recognize the my outstanding work. Having "prestigious" attorneys seeking me out for guidance in the same area that they also work in is all the validation I need.

likesmart

The trade off to have a work-life balance for prestige is always yield the best outcome. If you speak to honest attorneys about the impact of working 80 hour weeks to meet billable is not prestige it simply business for the firm who is not concerned about you having a quality personal life.

like

give the recruiter my number please

like

Your non-lawyer friends and family members only know you’re a “lawyer.” To them, that’s the prestige. Not one of these people cares about the firm’s name.
And the only reason so many non-lawyers know the name “Skadden,” is because Trump put that firm in the news.

like

Many non lawyers knew the name Skadden long before trump was on the national stage. I worked there more than 15 years ago and it always surprised me.

like

In a heartbeat

Take the 40-hour job!

Related Posts

When do you switch from first-year to second-year at your firm in terms of salary - at the end of the firm’s fiscal year or January 1? For context, my firm’s fiscal year ends in November and the annual billing requirements restart then.

like

I have an offer from IQVIA for an Engagement Management (Tech) position. Is it a junior role? Also, what should be the salary expectation? I have 9.5 YOE in IT consulting along with an MBA

So recently started at Dell. Anyone care to share what a typical IC-8 base salary is within product/marketing? Received an offer from a competing company right after starting at Dell and it was a pretty significant difference. Just wondering if I made the right career choice.Dell

like

After leaving BL, what salary do most people settle at or is that way to general of a question?

like

What’s the salary range for client facing manager position in Consulting vs Tax?

like

Does the stub bonus after A2A promote have any variability? I know BAML hasn’t announced yet so looking at past examples

like

What time do we get salary? Ab tak aaya nahi. ICICI ka account diya hua hai

like

I have 2 offers from Myntra (Associate-M1) and Coinswitch (Business finance analyst) at 1.5 YoE.
Myntra :15.5 base +1.5 joining + 7 stocks(4 years) + relocation
Coinswitch :15.5 base + 1.5(joining+retention) + 2 performance bonus paid yearly.
Which would be a better choice ?

like

Hi guys!

I have an offer from wipro for B3 band.

Below is the salary breakage. Could anyone tell me what is going to be my in-hand salary per month.

Basic       :1020000

HRA        :510000

BONUS       :56800

WIPRO BENEFIT PLAN :399840

ADDITION ALLOWNACE :186660

PROVIDENT FUND   :122400

GRATUITY      :54162

HEALTH BENEFIT   :9800

VARIABLE PAY    :191760

Thanks,

Prem 

like

Any assurance AM's here ? What is the salary range ? Qualified CA

like

Hi I’m a current Graduate student, hoping to get my foot in the door for Deloitte Healthcare Consulting, Accenture CDP, or EY specifically within Chicago Offices. Is there anyone open to connecting and speaking on their experience being hired? I have previous experience working prior to my degree so hoping to get insight on how I can best score an interview. If you’re also open to providing a referral that would be a bonus!

like
likefunny

In discussions to make a lateral move. Is there any way I can negotiate higher pay outside the fixed bands? Higher annual bonus, signing bonus? I assume chances are low but worth trying.

like

Does anyone know the salary for a 3rd year junior associate at Squire Patton Boggs?

like

Why was ACN raise so bad... I was told I am a top performer and I received a 0.82% raise? Individual bonus was 8%? Does this mean my ratings sucked? By CC confirmed my ratings were good..

like

I found out a soon to be 2nd year associate got a 10k raise making his salary 110k now, while I, the soon to be 3rd year associate got a 2k raise making my salary 107k. So now the 2nd year male associate is making more money than me. How do I bring this up to the partners?

like

Anyone have a full-time Big 4 offer (JD/LLM) with a signing bonus in Dallas or similar COL? My recruiter says it’s not negotiable but if I know of someone from a competitor with a higher bonus then she can see what she can do.

like

Hi,

Which is better
CitiusTech or Deloitte . Salary is not a concern wlb and projects are important. 5 yoe.

like

Anybody has workd for Regal Rexnord? How is the culture, compensation, yearly increases, etc.Regal Rexnord

like

I've got a job offer from Deloitte Latvia ( Deloitte Central Europe) for the Riga City. The gross compensation is 3000€/monthly along with one time 2500€ as a relocation allowance with other benefits like 45€/month as Telephone reimbursement etc & other usual Deloitte benefits. Currently I've a ctc of 11 LPA at EY & 3.5 YOE. Is it worth accepting the offer after all calculations. #Deloitte #Europe #Latvia . Deloitte EY . Kindly provide some insights if u have any .

like

More Posts

Good to see movement in LINK 🐢🐢

like

Hi All,

I have 2 offer please suggest which 1 to go with.
1. CTS 9 ( 8.55 Fixed 45k Variable)- Tech Lead
2. Vodafone 9 same as CTS they matched plus JB-50K - Band I
Exp 3.9
Skills: Oracle DBA
Your inputs will be highly appreciated to choose best comparing WLB and Job Security.

likeuplifting

Which is best company to join among volkswagen it, mphasis , lemongrass assuming salary is somehow in same range.

like

Hi Everyone

Can someone please tell me about AI/ML Team at Comcast India? How are the work-life balance, culture, and entry-level pay?

anyone else hype about the new macbooks 👀

already pre-ordered

with apple silicon, adobe better get indesign running faster than i’ve ever seen it.

like

Hello,

I just joined
IQVIA, wanted to know how much variable is paid and when? Joined in FEB month. IQVIA

like

Finger Lickin' Good

Post Photo
likefunny

I feel like 80% of my job is producing. Is this normal, or am I just working with shitty producers?

like

Did TCS change its re-hire policy for ex-TCSer recently?

like

How is the variable payout generally in Accenture?

like

What base salary and equity can I expect from Apple, Munich with 15 years of experience?Apple

like

Recently laid off and looking for recruiters that specialize in media/strategy/advertising (both agency and client side). Sure there are others looking as well - would greatly appreciate any info.

like

Currently looking for remote global Executive Assistant roles. Is anyone hiring?

like

Anyone ever just quit a job? Hate my clients, don't care about the agency/coworkers, all references are elsewhere and I have a better job waiting. Worth putting in 2 weeks anyways?

like

Got a job but it doesn't start for another two months can I just quit now and work at Rita's Water Ice until my new job starts? My senior is so mean it is honestly just funny.

like

Anyone in FAANG cyber willing to refer?

like

Deloitte GPS folks, can I get the scoop on the background check process? How long does it take, how thorough is it?

like

Does companies like Booz, AFS have annual raises like big4 firms? I’m work in big4 and not sure other companies has that

like

What skills must an entry level software engineer need to have to excel in service based company that is cognizant

like

Additional Posts in Law

Anyone else here kinda like doing doc review? (In moderation of course)

likehelpful

This is not my wheelhouse so I’m not sure of the answer. If someone is writing a “memoir” and is including me in it, and I DONT want to be in the book, do I have any legal recourse? I understand since it’s been published it doesn’t meet any invasion of privacy or potential defamation yet, but is there something I can do preliminarily to protect myself and stop my inclusion?

like

Any advice on how to deal with a partner/boss who is shifting all responsibility to me with zero guidance, no mentoring, and an unwillingness to discuss the issues? (Small firm, only associate under this partner and have been working at the firm for 2 years). There are an increasing number of passive aggressive comments from the partner who expects to be completely hands off once the case lands on my desk. Wants me to figure it all out despite cases being from different areas of law.

like

Parental leave: do you have to be at a company or firm for a year before being eligible to take parental leave? Are there any companies/firms that don't have this requirement?

like

Has anyone been admitted to Massachusetts by transfer of UBE score? I submitted my application in July and took and passed the state law exam today. How long after this were you admitted? Thanks!

like

How would I go about finding a recruiter for a career switch? I have a finance background and am currently a mid level in big law. Looking for a hybrid position, but I only have experience with recruiters who recruit for other big law positions. Any ideas for how to start looking?

like

I found out a soon to be 2nd year associate got a 10k raise making his salary 110k now, while I, the soon to be 3rd year associate got a 2k raise making my salary 107k. So now the 2nd year male associate is making more money than me. How do I bring this up to the partners?

like

You ever write a motion that’s soooooo 💩 that it’s embarrassing and you just wait for the partner to email you at 3AM saying “pls call me” because it’s too far gone for “pls fix.” 😩😩😩

likefunny

Want to negotiate salary at an AMLAW200 firm in atlanta. Not a lot of public information about what peer firms (ie, not NY lockstep firms matching cravath scale) pay. What are mid-senior level associates making in Atlanta?

like

Any entertaining stories about opposing counsel just losing their mind on you in court or over the phone? How do you respond to opposing counsel who is being rude, unreasonable, or verbally abusive?

like

Anyone work at Stoel Rives? How’s the WLB? Wondering if the grass is any greener over there coming from big law

like

Any thoughts on Phillips Lytle? If you could please provide insight on culture/billable requirements? Thank you.

like

Family law litigator looking to transition to in-house? Any tips?

like

Anyone have insight on how quickly large and medium firms will resume hiring after quarantine lifts? Currently at an Am 100 but started looking just before Covid.

like

Best divorce lawyer in NYC?

like

I’ve practiced litigation in DC for about 5+ years at a larger plaintiffs’ firm, and am considering a switch to a defense firm. Is there any insight to how many billable hours this would require, and how much time that would actually be? For reference, the firm has a 1900 billable hour requirement and the partner said I would have “no problem” fulfilling that based on the work they have.

like

What's the most amount of background checks done on you in a 3 month period. I'm working on 5 so far.

like

How much time is acceptable to bill to admin per day?

like

Billables are low this month. Like I have 65 billable hours in so far. I’ve messaged partners over the last week to try and get more cases but there are tons of new associates who were just onboarded and were at a low point for business. I’m freaking out

like

Me. Every single day. Since I started practicing.

Post Photo
likefunnyuplifting

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal