Ever a good idea to out a lazy supervising attorney? I’m a mid level working for a junior partner that reports to managing partner. Junior partner misses meetings, calls, is always late, misses deadlines, etc. He meets billable requirements by taking easy assignments on large docket but does not actually work the cases until a big deadline comes up, when the case inevitably ends on my desk because I’m the “go-to” for very hard cases. Ever a good idea to put someone whose laziness goes undetected

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Nope and especially not if he/she is a partner (junior or not).

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That’s my hunch. It would sure be nice

The laziness might not be so undetected. Query if you have to work with the junior partner because you can be trusted to be on top of things, even if JP is not.

But also agree no point in calling them out. If you can find a way to start reporting to the senior partner so they can see your direct contributions, that would be useful.

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I was actually taken aback by my latest review. I was told that I need no supervision and my job is to take things off their plate BC they’re swamped. But in close examination, they’re swamped because they are disorganized and dislike having support because they “tattle.”

If they aren’t doing big tasks it’s probably noticed. My advice would be: stay in your lane, there’s less traffic in it. If you’re crushing bigger projects while the supervisor is doing less important work you’re building a reputation as a go to guy for bigger issues

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This is one of the trickiest situations to navigate in office politics and many times there are no good outcomes. You need to make sure you are visible to the senior partner and let them make the appropriate judgments. Also you need to engage in constant CYA about deadlines, tasks, etc. because when something gets messed up, it will inevitably roll downhill so you need to be prepared to defend yourself as necessary. But “outing” a partner is going to end in disaster for you, especially because you’re only a midlevel.

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Doubt that it is undetected. Partners know who is working hard and who is hardly working. The fact that he made partner probably means that he is,or was, not lazy. Trying to out him as lazy is a pretty risky move. Stick with it. It will work out eventually.

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That’s absolutely right. Managing partners know their firms much more intimately than I realized. Difficultly now is that I don’t want to get stuck with having to account for my superiors poor performance. Totally out of my control and unhealthy for me to beat the managements stress over it....

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