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Hi all,
Do firms match offers from other Big 4s for campus hires? I’ve received a campus offer from both KPMG and EY. I’m more interested in the EY offer, but they are paying 3k less than KPMG.
Would it be a bad move to let them know about the other offer and try negotiating? I feel it wont make a difference in the long run, but at the same time I don’t want to leave any money on the table if possible.
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My LWD with current organization is on 30-Sep-2022.
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I have cleared the TCS technical and managerial round and got an email to upload the documents to proceed further with HR discussion, an I have done it yesterday.
But my priority is to go with TCS, but the doubt is will TCS provide offer or joining letter before 30-Sep-2022, because only 6 days left to complete my LWD.
Any suggestions to handle this.
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This isn’t supposed to be the case. Your manager is retaliating.
That's not what salary negotiations are for. It's not for your possible workload. it's to compensate you for the skills and experience you ALREADY have under your belt. These are things the company does not need to refine or teach to you. Tell your boss you're happy to teach him how to negotiate his next raise, but your salary is based on your acquired skill and experience, not on future workload. Tell him you do not appreciate the reference to your pay every time you say you need help. This is his first and last warning, and the next comment will be escalated.
I agree if I was able to but I'm not and your a prick for using an analogy you got from an assumption that comparing someone to a cheap car and working them harder because they aren't worth as much money, rather than using the Ferrari,when the reality comes after you need to take that good ol faithful you never sold and never intend to , you should just rent the high end car for the 2-3 day weekends , and not bother , unless your lucky enough to not even get out of bed to make good money, and choose to look the other way because you believe in your mind your better than those humble beginning now., that Toyota Tacoma that you have all you memories good and bad , past and present
It does sound like your manager is a little bitter about the salary you carved out for yourself. But on the other hand, a large salary does come with more work and less room to complain. This is what you signed up for.
I recall that. Still there is a great measure of having to start over, we're very different.
When a rich person overpays for their rolls Royce or Ferrari are they overworking that car more than their cheaper car to get their moneys worth out of it ? You were smart and knew your value and negotiated what you deserved and it doesn’t mean you should work any harder than anyone
Yep I had something similar happen to me. I got the raise, but then I also got the “you asked for this” workload. It really felt like retaliation sometimes the way that my boundaries were being pushed. It’s tough when compensation becomes a weapon. You still have a right to push back on what they're doing though.
Just because you got a raise a new contract should determine your workload
Higher salary ≠ more work necessarily, higher salary usually reflect the impact your work has or the value your role brings to the company, or your skillset. still, we all know these things can be totally arbitrary. However, if you're overwhelmed, it's going to affect your productivity and quality of work. Effectively your higher salary is compensating your for the quality of work you render and your skillset, which has nothing to do with how much your can pile onto your plate.
If there was a promotion or role change attached, I could see that making more sense. Right now a lot of salaries need a huge bump just to keep up with everything else. Fighting for yourself to be paid just fairly isn’t a great case to shovel work onto someone. Yeah, we’ll pay you more but here is us being passive aggressive about it. Need to talk about new expectations just to have a handle on it.
Yes I need time to open myself to that. Hoonestly if it weren't for being in love with the fantasy then I could imagine it.
Some increase in responsibility or workload is reasonable with a sizable pay bump. However, a good manager would not burn out a high performer just because they are at the high end of the pay range. It sounds like your manager needs to be managed. In other words, YOU need to manage up. One way to do that when pushing back, do not contextualize it with how the workload impacts how you feel ("overwhelmed"), and instead contextualize it how the workload impacts your current assignments. Next assignment that comes your way... "Sure boss, I am at full allocation of my time on the 8 projects I am supporting to meet their deadlines. I can slot this one in if I can put one of the 8 on hold. Do you have a preference on which one to deprioritize?"
I guess it comes down to that.
I'm going to be completely transparent. I've been in both situations when you're payed higher it comes with a responsibility for example in one job I was payed more than many people and they knew and resented me. However when things went wrong everyone would come running to me to save them and I delivered every time. Management would say things like this is why we paid him and no one would say anything after that. On the flip side I have been in the opposite a guy made 30k more than all of us and we looked at him as incompetent. I was ignorant about salary negotiations he wasn't. We would have projects and give him more. Eventually he quit because people where in him for everything. But to me I realized that it's better to be him because once you realized they will work you hard regardless of what they pay you.
Always take into consideration that getting paid more for current performance or skill is a true raise. But getting paid more to do more is not a raise.
Well one positively correlates with the other.
That's rough. It’s like trading respect for a target salary, then getting a heavier load as the “payback.” Definitely a tricky balance between advocating for yourself and managing expectations. Makes you wonder if that raise was really worth it.
I have to prioritize work.
Read the contract and deny excessive work just because you negotiated higher
The goal is to not be overworked, not to kill your career or get fired. There are a hundred strategies that can be utilized that don't involve refusal to work. Among the first would be to work with the manager to prioritize the assignments.
Until we the workforce stop working more roles with advancements the bosses will continue to misuse the advancement instead of hiring another person. But right now someone who really needs a job will come in and deal with it.
You win.
Ive applied and yet to hear from anyone, I've been in this work for years from Boston to Florida and can't understand what is going on.. I need a job with good pay and benefits, this online thing sucks if rather walk in hand in my resume and have a interview or 2 and get hired... This online application is terrible because you don't get a good feeling for employee or employer via online
Yes this is ridiculous may I knock?
I experienced something similar when I worked for a premium brand of luxury hotel-casino in Las Vegas that pays well (above or top of range for all positions) from the start. They hire the best in order to give guests the best experience. Employees were encouraged and motivated to do that (even those like me that interacted less frequently with guests), It was a positive environment with high expectations, but for me, the price was literally sleep. I was working so many hours as a salaried employee that I had no life and burnt out. Combine that with a difficult boss (which I think was unusual there, actually), and I had to leave voluntarily after two years. I would like to have stayed with that company long-term, but was physically unable.
Im usually the smartest person in the room and I suggest you pull a fight club and beat yourself up then call the cops and say he did it.
I hear what everyone is saying in this thread, However why even try to negotiate a higher salary alone? are you saying union is the only way to get a higher salary as all I am hearing is that it's not about work load? If I personally negotiated a higher salary, I believe I can do the job better than my collogues as they didn't negotiate a higher salary, so what should the defining difference be??? less work? no... I am not trying to start something, maybe next time negotiate a better position within the company that pays more, with no more responsibility. (it doesn't exist!)
However the points also said are valid, it shouldn't but it always will come with more.
Here is the Real Deal. Whomever negotiates the HIGHEST salary is the smartest person! Everyone is working 40 hrs. a week or more so why not make the most money you can? Listen this person negotiated a salary during an Annual review so Not a new job or Position in the same company. The same job he/she was doing so NO I would NOT do more work and if anyone including my boss said something like well you are making more than everyone else I would say "so what! just because I know how to negotiate and the COMPANY paid me this salary, then it's on them not me" and I am not going to do more work so give it to someone else.
I was successful one time but in the end I didn’t want to leave my company and I burnt a bridge so there’s that?
i know from experience that that is easily remedied. Well not easily. But I can see it happening.
Hey - Congratulations / you are learning - now you need to coach upward / teach and inspire your boss how to get a apply and land a better job. Be positive and be supportive / getting him hired leaves you in position for promotion
Boss acting like he owns the company and it is his own money.
Not the way it works. Set boundaries.
If it keeps up, threaten a EEOC claim based on retaliation