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Please evaluate this initial offer for Apple ICT3. I think I was low balled, but I want to take more opinions. Currently Sr. MTS at VMware, received Apple ICT3. I was expecting to get to ICT4 but seems like team thinks upper end of ICT3 is more apt. Also, I think it is because I don’t have any counter offers yet.
Received offer
Base: 185k
Sign on: 40k
RSU: 160k/4 years (Here is where I think it is low)
Location: Cupertino,CA
Current TC
229k
YOE: 3.5 years US / 6.5 overall(similar roles)
Definitely using both of these.
Is it easy for engineers to become TPMs?
Any advice on moving from L4 to L5 in Amazon?
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I'm sorry you dealt with that. It really sucks and it's such a blow, I remember those days. My confidence was at a pretty low point. The thing that helped me was to remember that for every job, there are 100s of applicants. That means I have to apply for hundreds of jobs. As awful as that sounds, it's a numbers game and it's not personal. Eventually you'll find the right fit.
would you recommend any tech giant to shoot for , i am looking for work life balance
What's meant for you, will always find you. Maybe you dodged a bullet. This is coming from someone who has landed jobs at top 100 Fortune companies. One of them ended up being a shit show. No support, not enough resources or processes. Everything isn't always what it seems. Take time to process & recharge. Rejection is redirection.
This is so true! So glad you posted this!
Google is unstable. They’ll likely do more layoffs. Keep in touch with the recruiter and try reapplying when the dust settles.
You’re not missing anything by being turned down by Google I have a friend of mine who is a agile, professional and scrum one of the best I’ve ever worked within my professional career and Google didn’t hire him which tells me that’s not the place to be for anyone in the profession. I’ve turned down two engagements with them, and I’ll say it again sometimes money isn’t everything!
I'm sorry you went through that. I have been in the same boat. I interviewed for a position I really wanted and was pretty excited after the interviews went very well. I was sure I got it and when they told me they went with someone else, I was devastated. I gave myself a day to process and feel sad and disappointed, but then I got back to my job hunt. I tried to not put myself down or doubt myself as the candidate they chose just could have been a lot more qualified. I went on a number of interviews over the next month and tried my hardest. Finally got hired at my dream job. In retrospect, if I had been hired at the other company, I would have missed the opportunity to work where I am now. Sometimes things happen for a reason that we can't see at the moment. Don't give up.
Thank you for this encouragement. I'm really down at the moment, fighting to see the light.
I had to take a minimum wage job with a computer science masters degree just to pay my rent..Sad.
Hi, I’ve been going through similar things with some other big companies. Do not discount other companies and smaller companies because there are still a lot of great opportunities out there. I I gave up on Google, Airbnb, ServiceNow, Atlassian, and some others and I’m looking at other companies, some I actually never heard of before that are Global and have great ratings, great benefits, and I’m hoping something will come through soon. It is a very difficult market, just keep applying, work on your skills, and something will come through for you! Best of luck!
ServiceNow is well known for messing applicants around. No service - and certainly no now.
Try not to put this place on a pedestal. I used to do the same, only to realize that it’s a dumpster fire in many ways. If you come here, you’ll learn how to play Google politics and your real skills will stagnate.
I worked there. Couldn’t wait to get out.
I've learned the hard way to keep applying and interviewing even when it seems close to getting a job that ur the top 2-3. This way if/when you're not the final pick you didn't lose any ground. You don't owe anyone an explanation, same as companies do to us. Best circumstances I've had multiple competing offers.
Good luck!
What do you do when multiple companies say yes? Right now I'm facing that problem NSA (intel cyber) vs BAH (cyber)…how would you make that decision
Also keep in mind that every single role at Google gets 1000s of applicants, so it’s especially tough. Making it as far as you did should be reaffirming to your job hunt. My team had 6000 applicants to our last open role and only interviewed 15 people.
If you feel comfortable sharing, How long did those 15 candidates interview. I’m in process as well. Would rather get kicked out early to focus on firmer prospects even if they aren’t the holy grail .
Would it be fair to say , candidate pool dwindles as belowish -
Month 1 15,
Month 2 3,
post hiring committee selection - team placement 1
I joined Google in an early career role in early 2021. When I started interviewing, that was a time when a lot of companies laid people off, just like it is now. Most companies were yet to understand the extend of covid and had their headcount frozen. I interviewed for 4 months. I had extra screening rounds and the last round being with the director. They did those extra rounds as they were recruiting for the first time after COVID (that’s what HR said). Later on we got to know that each of us (batch hire <10) actually had to complete against 800 initial short listed candidates to get an offer.
I am sharing to let you know that no matter whatever Google’s reputation recently, it is a dream for many candidates out there. Currently some Googlers are not happy inside as it can be very hard to get promoted and move roles. But hardly anyone would ever say that joining Google was a mistake. Good luck and don’t let this experience discourage you from applying again.
It was very tiring and one of the most stressful phase that I will remember for a long time. But I had no choices either as I was unemployed and most recruiters were ghosting. One could say its a humblebrag but isn’t it something to share and reflect on? The resilience through that dark period of lockdown, unemployment and ghosting is something everyone who have been through should be proud of. OP it is a tricky time to get into Google. You might also be competing against Googlers who has been laid off recently for certain roles. It is great to have Google on your CV, but it is also great to have other companies where your contributions and skills shines more than a company name. Good luck!
Things happen for a reason- it’s not the same old Google here. Pretty low energy and the opposite of inspiring vibes
I feel you. I literally had the same thing but different circumstances . The company wanted a person that knows the ins and outs of the IT process of the company though not sure if someone can be hired with that kind of mindset. They wanted a person who seems to be a part of the company for years.
Often times, the job posting is literally made to only appease HR's requirement on hiring practices. Meanwhile, they had someone specific picked for the position already. Hence why they ask for experience no one could really have without already working there. It's all a game in the end.
If it's a verbal interview then I'll suggest you answer the questions with a real life scenario stories of when you solved a problem based on the questions asked,
I've never failed an interview using this method before but if it's a coding interview then just calm down to understand the problem so you can apply appropriate logic.
You should also be very proud that you at least got an interview. That alone is difficult enough
The employee pool is large. I applied to many positions at Microsoft and Amazon and can see that over 1600 others applied to it. Had many interviews and recommendations I was in the same boat hang in there.
The big build up, the positive engagement during interviews - then the big letdown. The crushed feeling increases the more research & prep you do. What helps: never take it personally, a rejection may be for a whole bunch of reasons (change of direction, change of headcount/budget, internal promotion), never share your upbeat expectations with others until you've landed an offer, always maintain at least 10 applications on the go as backstops. It helps to have some savings $$.
Sorry to hear that you were strung along like this. Sunder Pichai is likely out after the whole Gemini debacle, let alone the layoffs to come. This could be a hidden blessing for you and I’d view it from that angle. I would encourage you to refocus the energy towards future pursuits and keep persisting. It is worth it at the right company with the right forward trajectory. I hate to see but for the short term, Google may be looking in their rear vision mirror as many small and mid players overtake them in the race to AGI.
My opinions are now 3 months old, but looking back, I’d hazard a guess that I formed it mainly around the lack of veracity & testing that Google once prided itself on as a pinnacle software engineering company. That coupled with the poor presentations and false image representations.
Ask for specific feedback from the recruiter. Figure out what exactly it was that you could have done better and work on that.
Honestly, you will be ghosted again.
It may of just not been meant for you ! I have been on several interviews ones that I thought would be something suitable for myself. But when I sat back and really, I don’t wanna say dwelled or really thought about it much there was always something behind me not getting it because realistically, there’s probably something better out there for you, maybe this job yeah financially or maybe it was something that you thought you’d be able to grow with but look at it in the light of there’s something bigger and better I can promise you that six months to a year from now you’ll look back at this post and be somewhere that you’ll say I’m glad it didn’t get with Google!
Sorry to read this. I also got a “No” after a month-long wait and a couple of more of “you are too good for this role, and will be considered for the other.” The saddest part of it (I was expecting “no” because I believe in fast process of you are the “right” candidate) is that the rejection didn’t include why. Should I keep applying or better wait a few months, what was not enough if they said I was “too good for the previous role”… Too many open questions, I guess.
Be strong! You’ll eventually find YOUR role you’ll be happy about. Hang in there!
I went through the same thing with Google. But Google was one of many companies I applied for. You get over it by continue to apply to other companies. Also tell everyone you know that you are looking. Work your network. Applying online yields 20-25% of the jobs. You got to network. Go to job search meetings. Most major cities have them every week.
A company's hiring process speaks a lot about them and it's your choice if you want to take a part in it. The longer the process the riskier it is. Why? Things change constantly, their needs can change, their budgets can change, hiring manager or other people involved hiring for that role leave etc. Also, if they are not hiring within a month, they don't really have a big need for that role. Personally, I like to interview with the companies that intend to hire for a start date within 30 days so that i don't spend months investing my time and energy into it.