Just received an offer from MSK (Mitchell Silberberg and Knupp). Below market (215k for third year) 1900 hours requirement. Currently am in a boutique law firm with no requirements but pay is even lower (150k). Should I make the move knowing it’s more money but more work, or should I just enjoy the no billable requirement freedom and make less money? Has anyone heard about MSK being toxic or having associates billing way above the 1900 requirement?

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1900 hours is essentially biglaw. My requirement is 1950 (and that’s what I’m on pace for) and I make market. Why not do biglaw at a place with a good culture and reasonable billable requirements (e.g., Perkins Coie, Orrick)?

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At orrick can confirm the hours are reasonable

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(Contd) I came from big law and completely got burned out in a year there. Definitely don’t want a repeat of that so money is important to me but WLB may be even more. Is 1900 easy to reach? Thanks!

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No requirement is nice dude. Can current firm bump you up tho?

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They wouldn’t be able to match though.

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