Opinions on tipping culture?
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I tip ALWAYS. 20% usually; during COVID-19, more like 25%. Even if service is extremely bad, I still tip 10-15% because I can’t bring myself to withhold someone’s wages. Servers in my home state can legally be paid as little as $2.13/hour since they receive tips.
That said though, I would STRONGLY prefer to just pay more for my food so that way we can pay servers a normal, livable wage. The onus should not be on the customer to literally leave money on the counter so that the server can pay their rent. I would prefer to pay more money for the food than have to hope my tip is enough for them and covers the cheapskates is who don’t tip.
You go into a restaurant. You’re in a bad mood or you don’t like your sever. You decide to tip $5 instead of $20. They only make $2/hr. under the min. Wage for tipped workers laws that many states uphold.
So now they’ve made $7 Instead of $22. You control how much they make based on your mood. How is that fair?
Sorry if I didn’t do a great job of explaining before. But the point is, how much someone makes shouldn’t be at the discretion of the customer.
Chief
Sometimes I’ve heard people say, “well if you don’t tip, the servers won’t work as hard.”
I suppose that’s a possibility, but that being said, if you don’t perform well at your job, you typically get fired. I worked retail for much of high school and college; I was a minimum wage employee and was obviously not tipped, but I still worked HARD. Why? Because if I didn’t, they’d fire my ass without question. That’s how it works in all industries; it’s silly to claim that servers will suddenly stop doing their job if they get paid real wages instead of tips.
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Came here to say this! I was a server in high school and tipping wasn’t enough to motivate some of my co-workers to (take less smoke breaks and) actually do their jobs well!
I worked at Steak n Shake in Ohio... started from the bottom, now we’re... still working late night hours 😂
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As a former server, bartender and restaurant manager, get rid of it. The business is using the customer as a scapegoat for not having to pay its workers.
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Exactly this.
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I'm not particularly a fan and my go to example is always Japan where they actually find tipping to be insulting. Should and can America adopt their method?
AA1 I completely lost you. "The vast majority of people trying to make a living on a job don't make minimum wage and would only be hurt by an increase." I think you're suggesting a minimum wage increase would hurt small business.
For reference, 42% of workers in this country make less than $15/hr. It's great for you to argue business need cheap labor, but we are talking about people making $20-28k a year for full time equivalent. Is that really what you're supporting? It's inhumane.
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Especially now that they are exposing themselves to significant risk, service workers need your tips to earn a living wage. Tip +20% or stay home.
No you should be tiling way more, they need the extra help.
Good when willing, bad when expected/mandatory
i don’t think we don’t live in a society where tips can be someone’s primary source of income. I don’t find it to be much different than commission, and other industries seem to do fine with paying people low base salaries and sky is the limit bonuses based on performance/sales. But that usually is between the employer and the employee and predetermined before the work occurs.
Tipping doesn’t work because it brings in a third party where there is no consensus on standards and no predetermined framework for evaluating performance. If you want me to pay for overhead costs, including wages of your staff, then include it in the cost of goods. If you don’t, I believe restaurants have an ethical obligation to say “we don’t compensate your wait staff for the service you receive today - if you want them to have a living wage please tip accordingly”
Awful. Ref: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V4sbYy0WdGQ
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Having lived in Europe, I find tipping good as it very clearly improves the level of service
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Are you implying that service is worse in Europe? Apart from the fact that it’s a big place with varying/tipping service cultures, this doesn’t really gel with my experience. I’ve experienced the full spectrum of bad -> good services in Europe and USA both
It’s not the concept of tipping I believe in, it’s the concept of overtipping.
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Def not after “COVID” surcharge
Pro
I always give large tips. if service is really bad, which it almost never is... usually end up giving pretty large ones anyway
Chief
I tip extra because of COVID, and will continue to do so, but I really wish we could do away with the whole practice. Standardize pay and increase it overall so people don't need to depend on tips
As a foreign citizen I struggle with tip culture when I first come here. Before COVID I always tip but not on the generous side cuz it is a bit uncomfortable to pay 20% more than the price on the menu. In Asian countries those are baked into the price of the dishes. But post COVID I always tip 20% + cuz those people are taking extra risks and I want to show my appreciation.
Do you tip on item price or tip on top of tax (i.e. in latter case, tip is % of (item purchased+ tax))?
I used to be a server and now I’m a consultant who is not making bank. My amount of work doesn’t change whether you order a $30 lobster or $15 burger, no reason to tip twice as much for the same level of effort just because you ordered a more expensive dish. If I was making $500k like some people on this sub I’m sure I’d be more liberal about throw out money
Chief
Opinion on no tipping culture?
As someone who spent more than a decade in the hospitality industry before shifting into consulting, what I'd like to see is the whole industry move from tipping to a fixed price per item, service and tax included.
The problems I foresee:
1. First, it shifts the risk from the employee to the owner and restaurant owners whine all the time about how they can't afford to pay more (most pay far below min wage for their tipped employees).
2. Second, it relies on owners to pay their employees who are used to making a decent wage a fair hourly rate (usually upwards of $25-35/hour).
Tipping is a gross system with pretty problematic foundations, which is why it's not very commmon elsewhere in the world: https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/
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Fiancé and I were in an Asian restaurant in NYC, I left a 10% tip / service was ok.
We started to walk out, and one of the managers ran towards us asking for why the tip was only 10% - she said if the tip is below 18% then the waiter gets “written up,” because of delivering poor service
I told her the service was fine - Ps meal was $160, and it was 4 plates total, so it’s not like there was a lot of work - she said should I change this to 18% and I said “ No, this is more than enough “
And she gave a sad face and said I’ll have to write up the waiter. My fiancé was there and I didn’t want to make scene by coming across as a stubborn douche, so I said fine and signed it at 18%
We walked away, and my fiancé goes, “boy did they sucker you”.....😩 never paying for meals again...
Pay them on an per hour basis.
Chief
And give them retirement benefits. So many restaurant workers don't have much to fall back on later in life.