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Yes, it's true. But, a country is supposed to take care of its own citizens and residents first so it's not like we can complain. A better system would be for everyone to be judged based only on ability but that's not the world we live in.
P2 - did you get dropped on your head as a child? If you're running away from a war, you're a refugee and there's an asylum process that helps you get residence. If you're an economic migrant, which is what we are discussing here, then you should be brought in based on ability and need. If you are a better working class laborer over other laborers, then yes you should come get that job and come here. If you're not, then you shouldn't get allowed to just come be a resident because you felt like it. I can't even believe I have to explain this.
^no. Why on earth would any country let someone who isn't qualified in over someone who can create greater positive good? What kind of a ridiculous statement is that
Uh it's called equality? Why should we not let in a working class laborer but say yes to a bougie consultant? This a country not a corporation. Besides, some of this countries greatest entrepreneurs have been sons and daughters of poor immigrants.
^Agreed. The immigration systems needs to be based on merit
^ I disagree. Everyone should have the same chance at becoming a resident, regardless of occupation, achievements, etc.
Because the banker creates more net good than a laborer unless the laborer is in shorter supplier than a banker. It's how Australia does it. They have nail technicians and manual laborers on their immigrant list but not auditors because they have enough auditors. It's merit based and it makes sense. Bring in people who are needed, and not those who aren't. If you have someone with a bunch of degrees and experience, they should be brought it over someone whose skills are not special. It's simple.
Yes. Very true. Was an H1B now Green card and can do WTF I want !
Ok, no need to get aggressive. In your example, you are over simplifying. My point is that when you compare immigrants that work in much different circumstances ex a banker vs a blue collar laborer. If they're both hard working and upstanding citizens, why should the banker get the nod? The US isn't an MBA program.
We need free movement of labor globally!
Look man, I'm an equalist. I don't want my country, which accepts over 500,000 asylum seekers a year, to have to accept anyone who wanted to move there just because they want to. Abilities are a good thing, and we should be differentiated by them. I want someone who is creating jobs or curing cancer to have an easier path to movement than me, and I don't thing someone who nags groceries for a living should be in the same bucket as me. It should be based off of merit and need. Not off of a random definition of humanity that everyone at PWC seems to have concocted.
Like I said, I'm an equalist. This country didn't bring me or you here to make minimum wage, we made ourselves in to what we are. Those rules should apply all around. You have to either be incredibly dense or incredibly naive to think any country would bring people over just because they asked. And to answer your earlier question, yes a medical researcher who might be able to use the tools in the US to cure cancer or Alzheimer's is definitely someone a lot more valuable than you or me and should be treated as such. Giving everyone a participation trophy and a green card is exactly how we got in to this soft ass place where everyone thinks they're owed things just for existing.
I'm said this before and I'll say it again. So bear with me here. The US has different immigration processes for different immigrant categories: Family based, Employment based, Humanitarian based. For the purpose of this discussion, given OP's original post, I assume we should focus on Employment based. But before I go there: the immigration process should cater to every type of person. However, the employment based process is intended to cater to: white collar as well blue collar immigrants.
I don't think we disagree that process should be merit based for employment based immigrants. But the idea that the circumstances of your birth dictate your trajectory in the immigration system always disappoints me. Someone born in India/China can wait over 15 years for their green card after getting approved - their colleagues born anywhere else only wait 9 months for processing under the same merit and even the same job. That needs to change.
Immigration shouldn't be easy, but the playing field needs to be leveled.
Employment is not based on merit, it's based on companies who can pay to run through tests. What EY1 says is very accurate and what everyone is saying except P3 and P2 who seem to think that we should just judge people based off of their kind eyes and angelic faces.
The idiocy in this thread is the greatest use case for why immigration should be merit based there is.
Yes. Speaking as a Green Card holder. This is sad but true.
I believe that the Canadian Immigration system is a shining example of how to deal with immigration. Canadians have figured it out.
K1 again we just disagree. I'm weighing the humanity aspect you're looking at it like an economic model.
I'm not ignoring humanity. I'm saying economic migrants are not supposed to be weighed based on humanity. A grocery store bagger from timbuktu should not be accepted over a medical researcher. We aren't talking about refugees, where humanity has a play.
Yes. I am an immigrant too, I too started out working at 5.15 which was the minimum wage at the time. Let's talk about why you think your experience or mine means everyone everywhere should be accepted as immigrants even if they're not refugees. How does that many any sense to anyone.