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I recently interviewed for L7 EM at Google and had 4 great interviews and one not so great system design. I submitted external referrals all of which gave great feedback. The recruiter said the next step is team match/interviews and then the HC. Anyone in a similar situation? What was the result? Google
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Sometimes people join and they've got a much better idea of how to do it. Maybe they got laid off from a higher tier company with much better practices. Just because you've always done it that way does not make it better. Listen and be objective.
Are you training them how to do their job or they already know how to do the job but you are just showing them the ropes at a new place? If you are training them how to do their job, yes they need to listen to you. But if you're just showing them the ropes of the new organization and, as you said, if they also have the experience and are well trained in their previous jobs, discussing how to do something better is a way to go.
My colleague (a bright young guy who's been there 1 year before me) was training me. he has 3 years of experience in the field while I have 14 years of experience.
There is a routine job that usually takes them 2 people and two seperate half days to do. it took them 2 days because the job was too tiring to continuously do it in a day.
I listened to him, watched and helped him do it the first time (I swear, doing something that you know you could do better, easier and faster but you had to listen to someone leading you just because they were there before you is more excruciating then the 2 seperate half days job).
The second time we do the job I told him that maybe I will lead this time (I was at the company for almost 1 year by then because it is a bi-annual maintenance job) he thought he knew better because he had done it 2-3 times before me and he mainly watched me do the job and was barely helping me.
I did the job that took them 2 half days and a 2 men team with relative ease and in less than 2 hours.
Moral of the story, there is no harm in listening to people and expanding your knowledge.
View it as a learning opportunity for you to grow your own skills. It will make you look good if they make things better and you let them; it will make you look good as well if they fail. I have learned a lot of what I know from being in this position before.
Edit: if you fight it and they succeed in improving things, you will lose their trust and others'
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That's a really interesting view thank you, I am genuinely trying to make them improve their skills, I think we just approach things differently so I'm trying to adapt and learn myself
I love being challenged because I know I'm doing things right so it's easy to prove them wrong.
Just be yourself and stay sweet.
Someone did this to me at my company. I let them do their thing and tried/pretended to take their advice. They were fired within less than a year.
How long have you tried training them? How much older are they than you? What kind of things are they pushing back on?
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It's been about a month now, they're about 15 years older than me, a lot of wider experience but they've only just moved into this sector after a masters. They have to pass their training on one system before anything else, which I know really well and I'm just unsure if they have the right problem solving to work independently. He pretends to listen to my advice, then asks others, who tell him the same thing... Then still doesn't understand how to do it