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Hi there. Ex Deloitte Sr Mgr here, currently in tech pre sales (SaaS / MarTech). Recently spoke to both Salesforce and Adobe recruiters for roles that I thought were lateral moves (Sr SA / Sr SC), therefore I did not proceed with the selection process. The recruiters from both companies told me they typically hire at that level, and people are considered for promotion to Principal in 1 to 2 years. I found that odd. Is that right? What’s the typical TC for SAs and SCs there? (15+ yrs exp).
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Where do you currently work? Sounds like you got a high level Role with MBB, which is great…i was under the impression they leveled down people
Location? Non competes are nonenforceable in CA
You implied they were enforceable when OP was asking about the general case. In fact, as P1 has stated the obvious- unless another offense is committed, they are in fact not enforced.
It will never be enforced. Do whatever you want
I think you should do it anyways
It's possible, but highly unlikely that they'll come after you for this. I would take the risk. Not professional advice.
Chief
The one I remember from my days as MBB staff was I can’t work for another consulting firm on the same clients for 12 months.
No noncompete that says you can’t be a consultant is ever going to be enforceable.
Sounds about right. It’s more to do with clients than other firms.
That’s odd….. they usually say you can’t work for the same clients you work on for the past year but NEVER heard you can’t work for other companies in the same business. That sounds fishy
My current agreement is that I can’t work for an existing client for 1 year which I completely understand.
Chief
It’s not “you can’t go work for the client”, most consulting firms encourage that kind of movement.
It’s “you can’t go serve the same client for another consulting firm” and it’s intended to prevent you using your insider knowledge of your old firm’s competitive position to help your new firm.
Say you’re at McKinsey serving Boeing, and you’ve been working on a huge proposal in response to some sourcing RFP. Multi year project, lots of fees, etc. BCG poaches you. They’re working on a competing response to the same RFP. The employment contract you signed with McKinsey when you originally took the job prohibits you in this case from working on the BCG side of the proposal, or sharing information on what McKinsey plans to do, for some period of time (generally 1 year).
If you violate that agreement, well, you don’t work for McKinsey anymore so they can’t fire you — but you did agree to the terms when you took their money so hypothetically they could take that money back (unless you’re in CA, in which case these types of agreements are rarely enforceable absent other considerations). It’s very rare that a firm will actually bother to do so unless there’s some egregious outcome (like in this example I made up, say you tell BCG exactly how much McK will bid, and BCG undercuts the bid by 5% to win the work — but even then, McK would probably have to prove your inside information changed BCG’s bid and that’s hard to do).
More to the point, BCG would generally expect you to abide by your McK noncompete restrictions as a general “you gave them your word here, and we expect you to behave ethically, and when you move on from BCG we expect you to do the same for us” kind of way.
This is hard to enforce. You may not pursue certain clients for the same work you did before. Most good companies waive those restrictions too.
Not only hard, your ex employer just won't be motivated to do it
It's usually same clients. Check your agreement.
I was surprised by the wording. I read it a few times and they include a list of 20 consulting firms that you can’t work for if you leave. Seems crazy.
Chief
Huh. Weird. 20 is a lot, I don’t think that’s normal at all.
Rising Star
We have a noncompete?
Huh, really? I didn’t actually know McK had a non-compete when I left..
I was approached by them so I had a decent amount of negotiation power.
Agree with your comment and my biggest fear is not only the wording but the list of competitors that would limit me from future employment.
Ask them for a 1 year pay package for not working at a competitor after you quit. Fair?