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Where in SF are you that it's beautiful with clean streets? When I've visited it's been dirty, full of homeless people, and sometimes you have to try to avoid stepping in human feces just walking down the sidewalk.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/diseased-streets/166605/
Um the homeless everywhere, constant protests about anything, the smell, “is it animal or human” game, overpriced, tech bros everywhere, traffic
Thank you for acknowledging the perpetual “is it animal or human” game.
OP, you just described Boston from May to October. As for San Francisco, not so much. Streets are very far from clean, crowds of homeless people everywhere, and butt-cold even in the summer.
There are some beautiful places, for sure, but overall? Overhyped.
My bad, sometimes I like to feed the trolls for some light entertainment 😌
The TL is hands down the wildest area I’ve ever seen in a major US city. Multiple blocks literally lined with homeless, drug users shooting up in broad daylight, motorcycle gangs, trash, used needles etc.
It was a scene out of Escape from New York or some other fictionalization of a devastated future.
Then a mile away, blocks of 40 million dollar homes and million dollar super cars.
S&A1 you’re not wrong but the flip side is the most violent neighborhoods and most of the lowest income counties / neighborhoods with the lowest lifespans and college education rates that people would also deem the least attractive areas in the country have voted straight Democratic and have done so for almost a century. Things have never gotten better.
If you look at the unvaccinated population, it’s not that cut and dry by party affiliation either - inner cities and POC are among the most likely groups in the country to refuse vaccination - the Bronx has a similar vaccination rate to Tennessee for context.
That’s the problem with labels - it ignores nuance completely and is a poor way to perceive the reality just like why whatever I said sounds ignorant - it is because it avoids context. Both parties have a large number of college educated and wealthy voters (Democrats don’t lead by a significant margin on voters with an undergrad degree (yes this group is disproportionately white but thats the ground reality regardless) - 54-46 with arguably the least attractive Republican candidate in decades is a slight majority; it was even in 2016 and leaned Republican in 2012) as well as a large swath of low informed voters. It’s a 2 party system at the end of the day - a party can’t be competitive if this wasn’t true.
Hope that was a joke, OP. On the west coast, Seattle is probably the best of the lot
Seattle is better than SF, but they both suck. San Diego is light years better
The weather really isn’t that nice. 65 degrees as the high in the summer is cold.
B1 — have never visited in Sept-Oct but may have a reason to do so next year and will have to give SF another try (at least on the weather front).
Rising Star
Beautiful people, clean streets?? Idk what city you're describing but it ain't SF!
Chief
Because anywhere that charges New York prices should be as good as New York. San Francisco isn’t especially close.
Unless the things you name are affordable housing and functional public schools
SF was amazing in the 2000’s but a lot of the charm has gone by the wayside with the local politics and homeless crisis. There is 0 reason why the city is run and looks the way it is which is a shame with all the amazing people from everywhere in the world, enormous wealth, diverse food, natural beauty, history, and culture in the city - not to mention everything now costs and arm and a leg for it now.
Well-intentioned regulations and laws have backfired and have made the city a shell of what it was just a few decades ago and are responsible for the lack of affordability. Now you have unaffordable houses, school boards more interested in virtue signaling than actually educating, dirty streets, encampments everywhere, and drug addicted addicts attacking people on the streets - there are few charges pressed on criminals unless they actually kill someone so there’s no repercussions, and NIMBYs fighting every possible attempt at development.
Clean streets 😂
Perfect weather??? Is that you, Karl?!
This is the best post on the thread. That being said, I love the weather haha
Rising Star
Beautiful nature for sure, only to be ruined by liberal policies
Pro
Well there were parks that were enjoyable until the homeless population created a tent city in each
Pro
You also have Chesa Boudin - That dude’s vision of the world validates why we need the second amendment - this is from me, a liberal leaning dude who cannot stand the GOP today.
Remember to sign the recall petition!
Pro
Because of everyone else in SF. And the insanely expensive housing market. And and and
Cost of living, pollution, needles, feces on the sidewalk, homelessness, crime, etc. Lots of reasons to not want to be anywhere near any of the major cities in California
I live in SF and love it here. I think it’s a mix of obvious things wrong with it like how expensive it is and the homeless issue, and how people are obsessed with it. Plus a bit of jealousy. 😊
Burnnnnm M4!
It’s not the most diverse place. That’s in regards to the people and food choices
Homeless people on crack? You got it!
I moved from New Zealand to SF, and I adore the city! I live pretty far from the tenderloin and downtown and homeless people aren’t a problem. Golden gate park is a true gem to have close by, and the variety of experiences the city provides is insane. Any given weekend I can be snowboarding, surfing, hiking, or cycling. A city is what you make of it .