Would you charge a higher day rate for Big Tobacco? I somewhat still smoke, and I know that the effects of advertising somewhat played a macro influence on my decision to pickup. But in the end, I picked up because I was a "good boy" high-schooler who moved to college, threw up middle fingers to conservative upbringing, and tried to emulate the folks who looked cooler than me. So I'm not totally morally against it, but I feel like I should charge like I am.

like
Posting as :
works at
You are currently posting as works at

Ive had this discussion before. And the idea that big tobacco is one of the most evil things in advertising is naive.

Soft drinks
Fast fashion
New automobiles
Alcohol
Pharma
Etc.

Take an objective look at your previous work and accept that you’ve been paid to do some pretty awful stuff already.

like

take a look at who makes your Nike’s and mines the cobalt for your phone…. tobacco ain’t the devil anymore

like

I haven’t worked on a tobacco account. But the thing about tobacco is now it is highly regulated. No TV, no print, no billboards, etc. Basically you have to opt-in on their site to see the work or get emails. I don’t even think they give away packs at bars anymore.

There are lots of other categories that are doing things like damage to our bodies, the environment, using child labor, persuading people to go to war, etc. that have minimal, if no regulation, as far as advertising/marketing.

So I guess the question is, where does one draw the line?

like

For personal reasons I draw the line morally at working on tobacco. I don’t really care about judging anyone else though, we all have different things we would and wouldn’t work on. I will say though I am all for gouging that industry as much as possible so for that reason yes I say charge as much as you can. Also remember if you take this on it’s only for the money since you’re (I’m assuming) not going to want to show that work in your book. So another reason to get all the $ you can.

like

And Director 1 is right. I actually have worked on big tobacco and it’s super regulated. Current situation is it seems as though they don’t want a whiff of marketing to people outside of current users.

As opposed to a big soft drink brand that recently dialed in a campaign specifically for pre teens. That honestly felt way more evil to me

like

Agreed. If you look at rates of obesity and chronic illness over time it’s clear that something in our environment / food system is making people sick.

Tobacco obviously isn’t good for you, but people know that. I have way more personal qualms working on QSR and highly processed foods.

like

I don’t like that Big Tobacco’s ad agencies are reaching out to black and brown creators and offering them pennies to create content, cutting corners down to nothing and making it seem like they’re doing them a favor by paying them in the first place. If there’s big money to be made, it’s not getting relayed to any of the creators in the communities targeted by menthols in the first place.

like

Wwwoosh… maybe read back through the replies.

like

I don’t have personal reasons against working on big tobacco but honestly it would do NOTHING for my resume.

No one is thrilled by someone who’s worked on tobacco. It may even put a negative vibe on it, so by all means, charge what you want and take the job if you still have a good resume/portfolio without it.

like

Every single reply so far: “Sure, you could focus on the NEGATIVE aspects of the Holocaust, or you could accept that selling potato chips is pretty much basically almost the same thing. Go get that money!”

Related Posts

Does anyone know what base comp/bonus look like for Manager and AP levels in IQVIA’s strategy consulting practice in US?

like
like

Hello All,

I need an quick suggestion from all experienced fishes 😀

YOE: 8.2
Tech: Full Stack Angular with .net
Current CTC : 15.4
Location : Pune

Am expecting an call for salary discussion anytime soon.


Interviewed for project which has below technology:

.Net Full Stack, Angular, Azure
Location : Pune

Could you all advise how much TCS could strech and how much I should ask them 💰..

PS: I don't have any offer in hand. This would be my first offer for this Season's Job Hunt 😺

Thanks

like
like

Just received a verbal offer from KPMG in Atlanta for FDD as an experienced associate. 75k salary and 5k signing. Is this a reasonable offer? Should I try to negotiate for more? Given the crazy market i feel like 75k is kind of low. KPMG

like

Is it possible to ask for joining bonus in ibm since I didn't request during the time of offer.. i am yet to join ibm.. Could you also suggest a good reason to ask for joining bonus?

like

What would be the expected salary for amazon data science in DC with 3 -4 yoe?

Worried because of my salary at my current company I am pricing myself out of opportunities to move into a rep agency that could eventually give me the opportunity to buy into it. I’m currently almost topping out on my salary at current company with no opportunity to progress. Can make good money for a while here, but new challenge is interesting to me. Struggling accepting I may have to cut my salary 10k-20k in order to do that…

like

Leaving this summer to PE, bonus pays in June. When should I give notice? Don’t want to burn bridges but don’t want to risk a slashed bonus (or none at all)

like

Do you say “remuneration” in place of Compensation or in place of Total Rewards? For some reason I thought it was more related to TR and both Comp and Remuneration were used globally.

like

Associate development manager salary in Accenture,
YOE - 9

like

Salary range for lead analyst (band 28) non tech?

like

Anyone know about Great Hill partners ? Culture/comp and all the above

like

What is the maximum salary Wipro can offer to 4 YOE. Designation - Consultant Wipro

like

I've Offer from Infy 22.5 + 1 Joining Bonus (Nagpur Location) Also I've offer from Mphasis 30Lpa Will Infosys update the offer?? My preference is Infosys as per WLB and job security+ It's near to my home town Infosys Infosys Limited Infy Mphasis

like

BCG fishes: If you make a temporary transfer to another office for 12-24 months, will your salary (& taxes) come from the home office or the office that you transferred to?

likehelpful

What kind of comp package (Sign On, Base, Bonus, Equity) should I target for L4 Product Strategy Chicago?

like

I need an assistant/paralegal. Probably part time at first. I live/work in a small city in Oklahoma, solo practice. I would like approx 10 billable hours/week (if part time) from them. What do i look for in one? Pay amount? (Most here make around $12/hour). Incentives for bonus money?

like

What would you suggest as a salary % increase to jump to another firm? I’m being recruited for a Sr Mgr role at EY which looks like a promising opportunity. Any comp sites other than glass door?

like

More Posts

Suggestions for a 2-3 day solo trip for a female 28 years old within the US. I live in Florida if that helps

like

We flew back from Ireland today on Delta. Our connecting flight from JFK at 6:10 was cancelled while we were flying over the Atlantic Ocean, and we were rebooked on a 3:40 instead (2.5 hours earlier) but not notified. I received no email, text or app notification of the flight cancellation or the new flight we were placed on, so we missed it. They now cannot get us home tonight and won’t even guarantee they can get us home tomorrow, impacting my work, (cont)…

like

What’s the deal with these start-ups not hiring people with actual insurance experience?

like

AWS professionals, what do you think of OpenShift now that it is available on AWS?

likefunny

Chose your house!

Post Photo
like

Simplicity 😍 what’s on your wrist today?

Post Photo
likeuplifting

Is anyone here a google developer expert (Machine Leaning)? Quite curious to know what is it all about

like

What is up with the pet pics? Is it karma farming or spam? Either way kinda cringy, this is a bowl about job referrals.

If I get an offer in Europe would it be difficult to transfer back to the USA?

like

Any recruiters based in Dubai, UAE or working with law firms based in UAE or companies looking to hire someone with legal experience. Please DM me. Thank you

like

For those looking to get into tax technology at Deloitte, let me know. I’ll take a look at your resume and see if it’s a good fit!

like

Hello everybody
looking for jobs in IT
I have over 20 years of experience. As a 3d designer, Field Technician, HelpDesk, Network Infrastructure and in the last 4 years as a QA Tester.

like

Hello everyone,
TCS has a few job opportunities mentioned below for experienced professionals. Interested folks DM for referral.

I'll mail the same.

Post Photo
like

Hi All, I joined Coforge 2 weeks ago and was directly assigned Santander project, but yet to get work. I connected with one of RDG member and they told me to wait. Any ideas on how much time it takes to get work here?. I am bored now 😑.Coforge Coforge ltd

like

I have 2.5 years experience in sap basis but I want to switch my career in other company along with sap hana or sap abap technologies.
Can anyone suggest me how can I switch my career in those technology?

like

Currently work at Moody’s as a credit analyst trying to figure out what are good exit ops, if anyone has any advice please let me know, feeling pretty stuck right now

like

Do you think it is quite possible to get fired by asking too many questions as an experienced senior 1? If so, i might get fired after this busy season.

funnylike

Any Stanford MBA alumni here? Please share your thoughts on the program. Is it possible to work and to do MBA at the same time? Also, did the program really boost your leadership skills? Thank you.

like

Hi all, NEED REFERRAL in Accenture ⚠️
~ Analyst Roles ~

(Navi Mumbai or Mumbai office, priority in that order)

For more background I'm a Fresher with internship experiences in major startups.
Please help since I've been applying for jobs for over 4 months and no progress yet.

like

Additional Posts in Advertising

Practical advice on how to deal with a mansplaining colleague?? 🙄

like

O&M Creative: more shuffling still to come? And by shuffling, I mean layoffs too.

like

People ask me all the time why I have to work evenings and weekends but I don’t have a real explanation aside from “it’s just how ad agencies are 🤷🏻‍♀️” What makes a better agency?

like

how many of you get high before/during work?

🙋🏻‍♂️

like

👏🏼🙌🏼👏🏼🙌🏼👏🏼🙌🏼👏🏼🙌🏼👏🏼🙌🏼👏🏼🙌🏼👏🏼🙌🏼
A-list #2!! And congrats to wieden I guess whatever

Post Photo
likefunny

Anomaly, good move or no?

likefunny

Facebook shutting down Oculus Story Studio... VR dead?

like

Pros and cons of working on an auto brand?

likesmart

Anyone worked on Budweiser? What agency?

like

It’s hard to be motivated when rounds of layoffs happen and you see all your friends leave. But one thing that’s gotten me through all of this is working out. And when I say workout I mean the most pathetic, sad, barely completed beginner-level cardio dance routines. I’ve somehow forced myself to move while on lockdown and it’s somehow forced me to feel better. Whatever you’re doing, wherever you are: get up and move even if you don’t finish or end up going on a walk. Pls take care of yourself❤️

like

Taking a poll: gender/title/salary/yrs experience

like

How’s BFG lookin these days?

like

How do I be a decent manager to a coworker who's upset I've been promoted twice in two years and they haven't? We started out as coworkers, became decent friends after a few good moments, but went back to simply coworkers after they flubbed a few projects and I had to step in to clean up. I'm non-confrontational but year-end reviews are right around the corner and I'm worried about having to act professional to someone who I got too close with and who now hates me.

like

What exactly is going on with Havas NY? I've heard many complaints about how it's a disaster, just curious specifically why.

like

I need infographic tips please!

likefunny

Can someone explain how billable hours work? At a new agency and although I had to fill timesheets at my previous agencies, they were mainly used to ensure we weren’t over servicing a client/for setting the appropriate retainer for contract renewals. I asked ppl at my agency but haven’t gotten a proper explanation. I get the impression that billing to the agency admin code isn’t recommended, and my manager said he bills everything to client codes, but that doesn’t make sense to me .

like

Best way to find a mentor? I'm trying to better my book to get better jobs but I need some guidance.

like

So Q1 has been abnormally weak for agencies across the board, right? Is it fair to say Trump is finally starting to effect the economy?

like

Pretty tired of smart women undermining each other, especially seniors doing it to juniors. Why the hell is the first instinct to attack&destroy? Not into kumbayas but more into having my peer's back.

like

Remember The Woo? Yeah, me neither. Well, they cut everyone’s pay (except mgmt of course) by 1/4 to get the small biz gov loan, and used it to hire a $500k/yr mgmt head. Agency still working barebones

like

New to Fishbowl?

Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
That was just a preview…
Sign Up to see all discussions
  • Discover what it’s like to work at companies from real professionals
  • Get candid advice from people in your field in a safe space
  • Chat and network with other professionals in your field
Sign up in seconds to unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.

Already a user?
Login here

Share

Embed this post

Copy and paste embed code on your site

Preview

Download the
Fishbowl app

See what’s happening in your industry
from the palm of your hand.

A phone with Fishbowl app

Scan your QR code to download
Fishbowl app on your mobile

Download app

Sign up for free to view this conversation on Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

Already have an account? Log in

Sign up for free to continue using Fishbowl

By continuing you agree to Terms of Use(New) and Privacy Policy(New)
Messaging rates may apply

Already have an account? Log in

For account settings, visit Fishbowl on Desktop Browser or

General

Legal