A friend of mine complains that her husband isn't as involved with their child.

Thing is, back in the day when they were dating, she had to convince him to marry her and have kids.

So then all of a sudden they got married - success!. Then it came time to have a baby and he seemed passive about the whole thing.

Now he's basically allowing my friend to do most of the heavy lifting as far as their child.

Is there a correlation? How often do women have to convince men to marry & procreate?

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Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever. I would have died alone before I pressured my husband into marrying me. Never force anyone's hand. Doesn't always end up so swell.

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it’s a no- brainer and totally unnecessary

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Should never happen! I don’t want you in my life’s journey with me if I have to convince you to be in it. That puts me at a true disadvantage in way too many ways. That’s rough- no advice, but wishing your friend some compromise w her husband. Couples counseling might be worth it if both parties are invested.

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If she had to convince him to have a kid to begin with, she shouldn't be surprised he's not interested in parenting. That seems like a very obvious outcome.

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Is the friend you? Are you the friend? There could be layers here. Overall, he just doesn't seem that into her. However, children are usually different. This is all wrapped up in the age of the child. Generally, birth to about 3 - 4 years old, dad's seem to be more "hands off" than mom. When children start needing help with hand eye coordination, say to play soccer, dad is usually all in. I have also seen some women just nor allow their husband's to have time to bond with their own children. They're always hovering. It's weird. It may not be as bad as she's making it out to be but you must remember you're only getting her side of the story with information she wants you to know. It's very far from a complete picture. You can listen and be empathetic but ultimately she needs marriage counseling and counselor for herself.

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It’s unfortunate that she felt she had to convince him but he’s still a grown up and still agreed to do it so he should be taking care of his kids. That being said, I never had to convince my husband, he wanted to get married and have kids and made that very apparent early into our relationship.

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Is your friend also my friend because this literally sounds like one of my good friends. She actually proposed to her husband because he was never going to do it. I just feel like you shouldn't be surprised at this point and I get tired of listening to her complain honestly.

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Oh no I'm pretty sure he proposed to her, but before he proposed she was basically trying to convince him that marriage and children are worthwhile.

When he proposed it looked like a victory but perhaps in the long term it was not.

Hard to tell, but probably pretty often. I think there is almost zero incentive for men to marry and many men out there don't actively dream of a family.

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MY1, your pov makes sense to me, not sure what you read in my message that required attacking it. Probably a misunderstanding. Take care.

Happens all the time! He’s already shown that he’s meh about her. Yet she still begged for him to have a life with her.

It’s hard for me to feel for those girls because that’s desperation, not love.

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I’m not really sure how often it happens. I would think there are a lot of factors at play. There are men out there who 100% want to get married, kids, whole nine, and others want nothing to do with it. Comparing priorities early probably saves a lot of headache, and heartache, down the road.

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It’s my observation that women frequently convince men to get married and have kids (or worse, in the case of kids, unilaterally make it happen by doing things like discontinuing BC). It’s no surprise the men wouldn’t be as involved. It’s like convincing your spouse that your house needs a PS5 and then wondering why they don’t use it as much as you. But I also wonder, why would you want to be married to someone who doesn’t really want to marry you, and why would you want to have kids with someone who doesn’t really want to have kids? 🤔

If a man is that easily ‘convinced’- he’s a boy, not a man.

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