As someone who left EY... another perspective: I miss the people and culture. Going from a big 4 firm to a big 8 firm is like watching 4K and then going to standard definition. Yes, PA is hard...

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Thanks for sharing OP! It's always interesting to hear a perspective from the "other side"

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There are going to be times we have to work long hours and/or we are stressed. But what I absolutely took for granted were the yearly trainings, the tax processors, the schedulers and recruiting coordinators... and honestly the expectations and quality of work are just better at EY. When you look at the finer details, EY and the other big 4 blow a lot of other firms out of the water. Counselors, peer advisors , weekly meetings, networking events, relatively up to date software and monitors... being able to expense dinner and cab rides home. There are a crap ton of resources and for people who are serious about their careers, it's a great place to work because while expectations are high, they absolutely provide you with everything needed to be successful.

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You meet bad people wherever you go. One or two bad experiences does not make a firm.

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Sincerely,

Former EY Tax - SF

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OP - everything you mentioned you took for granted, I find it hard to imagine another national firm doesn't offer those exact same things. I used to be in a regional firm, and a lot of things you mentioned like counselors, peers, networking, training, etc., I found to be better at the regional firm. It just depends on the environment you're placed in, which is simply too hard to predict from an interview unless you have a crystal ball.

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Hmm, what about the managers who threw you under the bus? Miss that yet?

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The ex big 4 people at my office have the opposite view.

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Yearly trainings? Go on vacation shit is just working with a hangover

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Well said EY I wish the B4 had more folks like you

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That's a great point EY 4. So much of our experiences depends on the office.

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Agreed!

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A very heart felt letter to the firm, i will think about this when i wanna leave

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I don't want to throw the other firm under the bus. I've already begun to reach out about a potential return!

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As someone who left PA from B4 as well I agree 100% with you OP. All those things really made the experience great, no matter all the times I was angry at scheduling or sighed at my calendar for those training events they all were necessary. I always thought it's greener on the other side but jump over and it seems to be just as green when I look over now.

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@AA1 You'll always find a mgr willing to throw you under the bus even in the smaller firms. The advantage in a big firm is that, if you try hard enough, you can avoid one manager or an entire team.
OP, I'm somehow curious: where are you working now?!

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This.

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I agree. I went to a smaller firm and I miss all of that. But then I think about all the bus throwing and it is difficult to reconcile.

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Yeah. I guess big 4 have more going than just the "big ". Whenever I stumble into poor work, incomplete and incorrect workpapers, and so many other messed up quality things I wonder if everywhere is the same.
It does depend on the office and on the partners in charge... but when people don't care, it shows.

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I feel the same way. Technology, processes, talented staff, organization, structure, policies that are followed, firmwide "stuff" that all the regions actually do. There is definitely a level of quality and certainly resources that goes down when you leave the B4. Does it make everything perfect, no? But it's definitely something if you are going to switch to consider and see if you can take the trade offs. I seriously felt like when I switched, I went back in time 10 years....

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I would like to see something similar from some one who went from big 4/big 8 to industry. And then I can consider feeling gratitude.

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