Do you feel KPMG is putting people at risk encouraging to go back to the office? It’s not mandatory yet but I can see leadership promoting/expecting and those following would eventually fall in their good books. How hard is it to understand that pandemic is not over by any means?

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No, risk is gone. Let’s get back to life

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To be fair, there is no decision you make in life that is risk free or has 0 risk. Everything we do has a risk; however risk is also personal. Some people’s threshold for risk tolerance are higher than others as well.

For example, I don’t believe COVID poses a risk to my family as our immune system has been good thus far. We have been in close contact with a COVID positive person for a week, and the entire time my family and I tested negative for COVID.

As an aside, I do take my due diligence seriously and respect other’s choices for their own health. When my daughter gets sick, I make sure she isn’t contagious before taking her to school.

The return to office movement is led mainly by "leaders" who see a threat to their petty power games and can't get over their inertia despite what they likely preach to clients about future trends. Pay attention, OP, and make careful decisions about the quality of leadership you want to work for. You have one life.

It's telling when people will carefully carve out exceptions to minimize the danger covid poses, like leaving out unvaccinated, immunocompromized, elerly or overweight individuals from their calculations. As if a vaccinated person can't transmit to these groups, or those lives are worth less than minor inconvenience or discomfort for those of us who are young and healthy.

World War II lasted six years; it was won the backs of young men, some barely twenty. I wonder what those today whose argument amounts to "It's been two years and I won't be directly affected" would have made of that threat. Short-termism is the real endemic.

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A lot of “leaders” made careers blabbing in conference rooms and sitting in private office ivory towers.

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In NYC they are paying millions in rent a month for all that office space that sits empty and collecting dust

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It's a sunk cost anyway. Don't they realize people will just leave to other firms like PwC where hybrid/virtual is normalized?

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I would just quite if my employer forced me back.

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This is why I’m in Advisory lol wfh for foreseeable future

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Anything WFH is better. Consulting is tons and tons of travel so no thank you

Send your manager this:

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/new-covid-variant-ba2-could-be-worse-than-predecessors-for-public-health-study-warns/news-story/7238ae227328835a86d655c06b962cd3

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“has not yet been peer reviewed”

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I disagree with the premise that you don’t deal with “office politics” as much when you’re WFH. It certainly exists in the hybrid environment we’re moving into. You’re not going to be able to escape it either way.

Additionally, the risk of getting sick or another form of COVID won’t go away. So when people say “it’s too early to go back” using COVID as their base, you could technically use that until kingdom come. Which is obviously an unrealistic expectation

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Have you heard of this thing called hospitalization and mortality data stratified by age?

CDC NCHS reports Covid deaths in ages 5-11 are under the levels typically seen for suicide, heart disease, and notably, flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-11-2-3/03-Covid-Jefferson-508.pdf

Note that the hospitalization data in the presentation portrays kids hospitalized *with*, not necessarily *for*, Covid. Pediatric hosp numbers are known by CDC to be inflated above the true impact of Covid.

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Why worry if the firm gives you the option not to go to the office if youre not comfortable. Too much drama. Just dont go.

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Seriously. There’s too much drama on this thread. All of the black and white thinking, all of the self-assured senses of superiority coming from both sides of this issue in this thread - makes me no longer want to work in public accounting at all, either in person or virtually.

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MTS1 - you can argue the work life balance of the past isn’t what it needs to be but the innovation of the last 40 years is astounding. It would not have happened remotely.

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Says the amazing break throughs in medical device technology, advances in robotics, and countless other scientific accomplishments that require physical goods and services. Have you ever been in factory?

Your title give you away.

Its a cold

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This is a really hot topic. Every time it is brought up on all hands calls and such, people groan. Word gets out and recruiting gets way tougher. It’s an area where many company leaders in society may be out of touch. Others are way ahead. While I don’t think KPMG is alone in back to office talk, so many companies are having opposite conversations on how to better support hybrid and remote collaboration without the “come back to the office” stuff. Do all your coworkers even really work in the same office anymore? Isn’t it more global? Why sit in traffic 2+ hours a day to have the same calls you can have at home? Now, add on a pandemic, even just the flu, and it’s a no-brainer that if you have no need, it’s just that…no need. Instead of back to office, it needs to be “Future of Work” not “Return to Office”? Also, consider gas prices and going green.

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Come work at PwC. DM me and I’ll help refer you.

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I don’t work for KPMG but our firm has been in office basically all pandemic

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It is lamentable that we are still talking about the in-office/working from home false dichotomy. We spent 2 years and instead of developing the practices and norms needed to be successful most senior management spends hours taking about coming in the office, when and how frequently. Most organizations have invested heavily in their IT infrastructure in essence setting up their companies for a digital transformation but have done little to build the skills, practices, and capabilities of their staff to make it happen. And it is nowhere more obvious in management who have no idea how to manage people without seeing them work.

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My work is making us return to the office too. Meh

Our executives were ordering teams back to the office full time as they worked for months in their summer homes!

No. I don’t.

My firm just announced we are headed back as of April 4th. Two days a week minimum

Comerica is back to the office! 3 days in office and two from home. Sometimes I’m the only one in the office. Kinda makes no sense. But I guess they want to show that we’re making progress to get back to in office life.

cvs is doing the same

Well as for return to work. I just have a question. Have you returned to the mall, bars, family events, religious groups, social events (weddings, anniversaries), etc. if your answer to that is yes in any way shape or form I don’t see how going to work is any riskier.

Now, that being said, be honest is working from home really more productive? Are you actually working those extra 3 hours saved in daily commuting? For some it’s yes, for many it’s a big no!

The answer is truly somewhere in the middle.. 2 days in the office 3 at home I think is the best of both worlds and satisfies 80-85%.

The collaboration at times is beneficial, but we have proven we can perform many duties from home. But let’s not make the excuse that going into the office is any riskier than any of our extra curricular activities that we have all gotten back into!!!!

The pandemic is over. This is a good thing. If you want to stay at home, stay at home. No one is forcing you to go back to the office.

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