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Going into my senior year of college. I have an offer with IBM to join as a strategy consultant(105k starting salary). Also I have an offer from deloitte S&O (88k salary) start as BA. Whats better?

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The company that has been in computing from the beginning has a brand problem. Too funny. Take the money. In NYC, you’re going to need it

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I worked with the CAO at IBM and am an external consultant at IBM GBS so I have insights into both internal consulting and external consulting. I’d take the Deloitte one and try to raise their number. If you stay at IBM long enough, it’s hard to exit to a good opportunity. I’m dying to get into Deloitte these days. Don’t make the mistake I made. Ppl don’t value IBMer’s consulting skills that much. Deloitte has a much better brand recognition if you want to stick to strategy/consulting/business management

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CAO just got new leadership, so it’s hard to say where the team will be in a year. Yes, I would expect the Chief _Analytics_ Office to be very analytical. Your point about being stuck in a project is well-taken though. I saw people stuck, but I was able to successfully push back to move around. They did start a program a year ago or so that was designed to let new hires take rotations, but I can’t say how successful that has been

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1st off - congrats on the offers. 105 out of UG is incredible and you should definitely take it. That said, this is exactly what’s wrong with IBM. We’re hiring people out of UG into $105K internal roles and our client-facing team members who bring in revenue are making 90-110 after 2 years of experience. This company, man....

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I got 90k as a data scientist with experience and a masters... something doesn’t seem right here

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105 right out of undergrad? Wtf I’m 2 years out and with promo in NYC I’m making 2k less than you! Take the ibm offer and the $$

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2 years ago they were 65-79k, with most getting 70

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Take the money. Great financial start to a career. In NYC you’ll find that even with 105K it’s easily possible to fall into a paycheck to paycheck life. Now that being said if you’re with D and traveling your income is technically more

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EY5 What NYC experience? Mediocre food, rats, hyper inflated rent? Screw that.

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IBM. If you liked them go with the money. You are so early in your career you can switch firms easily but you will switch with a lead over the 88k.

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As someone who worked at IBM and got burned, I would really make sure that your team is willing to support you. Otherwise I’d try to get Deloitte to raise and take that. Also how are these offers so high lol I have 2 years exp and make less

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I tried to negotiate and I had leverage and they flat out told me no way in hell.

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Take the offer at IBM. After two years, jump and ask for 30% more of what you are making. Play the game young grasshopper.

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Yea exit ops from Harvard are awesome

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Hey. I would be really careful and do research on ibm. I've been at two ibm departments, and left to go to a prestigious consulting firm. My ibm job offered me more money to stay at IBM, but it wasn't worth it. I did not get any personal development or challenge at IBM. The talent is not good -- because they aren't challenged. I will say ibm has an amazing work life balance! I literally did so little. So it's up to you what you want

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Quite the opposite here. I’ve been leading a workstream from the business side as a 2nd year and barely have a week below 70 hours

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Yes it is internal, in the Cheif Analytics Office they are implementing AI across the enterprise it is an elite group.

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Nothing elite about an internal IBM team unfortunately, idc how many buzzwords they threw at you during recruiting. If you aren’t in a position to bring in revenue (client facing) then they will simply view you as a cost.

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They pay 100k for college hire these days? Good god. I should shoot myself in the face.

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God damn son... I

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I’m surprised people keep commenting. I choose Deloitte. Both offers were good but my deciding factor was that in S&O I should be able to get more strategy projects which are scare at IBM CAO. Also, I posted this mid summer when I was expecting the two offers so the numbers weren’t accurate. Deloitte offered 80k based with 12.5 bonus and IBM offered 98k with 5k bonus. Furthermore, with Deloitte I can live at home while IBM I will have to rent an apartment. Thank you all for your advice!!

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Idk, is take the role that would give me the best team and growth potential. Better to get some good skills at the onset and start building good habits.

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This is great advice. Out of school, you’re probably already broke, anyway. Play the long game. Deloitte will be the better brand moving forward. IBM doesn’t get a lot of respect these days.

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I had a friend who interned with IBM CAO who disliked her experience. From my perspective, Deloitte S&O feels like the long-term better move given the wider exposure. Which offering portfolio though?

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It all depends what you want to do. If you want strategy work, go Deloitte. CAO will be analytics transformation projects, not really getting into any strategy projects. I say this with the caveat that CAO just got a new leader and will probably have a new focus by the time OP joins.

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Congrats on two great offers - you must be an impressive candidate. Money aside just trust your instincts as to which group you’ll be most happy with as your salary will continue to increase regardless

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This is a tough one. I would take Deloitte because your first job out of college sets your career in motion. IBM internal roles switch all the time as they’re going through a reorganization - either way you can’t go wrong. Deloitte seems like the right long term play.

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Seriously pick Deloitte S&O, everything about it is better than IBM except that starting salary. I mean IBM is the company who laid off 6 month in analysts. Who knows what will happen if they have a worse year and then you will be trying to get back your offer at Deloitte.

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Tons

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Which team did you like better, do you plan to do MBA later, and do either offer signing or performance bonus? My immediate reaction is IBM, but depends on what your goals are.

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Unless your goal is to be a software dev, idk if I would suggest IBM, but that cashhhh

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This early in your career I'd prioritize the large salary difference. Deloitte should be interested in reconnecting if you decide to leave IBM down the line and built some decent experience.

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