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Got offered to go to RSM from a big four with a 40% raise and a promotion. I should make manager this round if I stay so promotion isn’t that big of a deal. Should I take it? I’ll have smaller clients, but think I’ll really shine there too. Less work, more pay... I could always go back to my current firm. Thoughts?

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I left pwc for RSM for a 6 figure bump. People from the outside don’t do well. They are very cliquish and have a chip in their Shoulder. If anything having a ton of small crappy jobs is worse. Their audit software is off the shelf crap, and they focus heavily on personal net margin. They will be paying you above what your peers make but they will want more hours In return. Eating hours is very common there due to the very low budgets. At big 4 clients are usually more likely to pay overages. Here they don’t so quality is mediocre at best. They also have regular layoffs at the end of each season and often don’t use pips, they had 2 rounds and people did not even know they were in “double secret probation”. Their technology is sub par and hire pwc people to drive technology because they don’t invest in people or invest in technology.

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It was. I negotiated well with another offer on the table.

I worked at Big4 for 4 years and am at RSM now. You can't really compare chargeable hours. At Big4...you work in just a handful of clients at a given time. Maybe 5 or 6 large ones. At RSM...i have over 20 clients that can have random issues that pop up out of nowhere. I can work til 2am but i can't plug all my hours into one or two large accounts for the day. It takes over an hour a day sometimes just to track down charge codes and deal with all the administrative aspects of work. It really depends in your practice group...but RSM...the hours are very similar to big4 though I definitely end up with fewer charge hours.

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You shouldn’t post this at this time. The reasonable people are sleeping.🤣

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You should’ve waited till morning. People like me can’t give you reasonable answers. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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Not sure it’ll be less work - if they’re offering a 40% raise they may be pretty short staffed. But hey, 40% raise for the same amount of work sounds pretty good to me.

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Yes, they are. I’ll be helping them build their tax exempt practice in that specific office. I’ll be helping hire and build a team below me too.

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There are a many reasons to come to RSM, but working less hours is not one of them. I am very happy here and would not move, but total hours is not a reason why.  There is a very good chance you will shine, but B4 experience does not always translate. I have some very good people working for me that came from B4, and they can rise quickly. However, there are others who clearly left B4 because they thought this would be easier and they could coast. The second group doesn’t last long and usually ends up private once they realize it wasn’t B4 they disliked, it was public. 

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Yeah I would never say that either. Somebody else who used to work at RSM made it look really grim. Work way more than the charge goal and eat your hours or be fired.

What office?

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This makes all the difference. Since they acquire smaller firms so often each office can be vastly different.

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40% raise sounds very attractive, but I wont do it. Hours wont be less than big 4. You will miss the big 4 environment, clients, technology, resources, growth and working with the best in industry. Grass always appears greener on the other side.

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Interesting to me to see so many posts about eating hours, I’ve never been told to do this, nor would I. I wouldn’t come to RSM thinking you’ll be working significantly less hours though. I’ve also seen a lot of big 4 people come here and completely flop because they cannot handle the volume of clients. I juggle 15-20 clients, and if you’re only used to dealing with 2-4, it’s going to be quite the adjustment

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Let's be real, the big bump in compensation is because they have a need. You'll likely be working harder than you are now to establish/prove yourself and then if your compensation is out of line with other peers your future raises will be smaller then theirs until everyone is back in line. It's supply and demand . . .

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Yes, they’re understaffed. I’ll be helping hire and develop people below me

What’s your goal? Partner track? Money? Once you decide that you can make a wise decision.

OP, I actually think this is a clever way to speed up your career ladder. If you are confident that you will be able to maintain great relationship and network at both firms after you leave, then why not? I think it is a win win. In big4, higher ups dont care about senior and below's quitting, but they always want to keep a relationship with people who leave with a title of manager or above. Because these people will one day be at management roles in the industry and are indeed their potential client contacts in the future. So go for it.

You won't get anywhere near 40% raise when you get promoted this year. Take it!

I work at RSM and the work is not less than big 4, but it’s also not more. I also think the culture is way nicer than my experience at a Big 4.

I was at KPMG and it was a lot of bros and drinking. My group was not family friendly or very welcoming to women.

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I waa at Deloitte and left for RSM...there are pros ans cons but i would do it for 40%...just leave after a few years if you like Big4 more.

I will say this...for me...my work is much more stressful at RSM. Fewer hours but I deal with at least 5x more clients at RSM and juggle so many personalities.

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