Hi all, need some advice on how to structure a competitive offer for a multi family in Orange County, NY. List price is $500 for duplex, one side rents for 2200, other side can be rented for 2500. Initially put in an offer for 530, had 9 other bidder so increased to 550. They came back and asked for an appraisal waiver which I did not want to do. They selected another offer who waived appraised, but two days later backed out. They’re now asking to resubmit offers and we considered 2 options:

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I personally wouldn’t buy this house. Why would I pay for an asset that clearly is overvalued. Additionally in this market, I wouldn’t waive anything, sellers can go eat rocks and try to make a sucker out of someone else.

That said if you really want this house go with option 1, 535k but don’t waive anything or offer rental discounts.

Don’t force a bad deal, walk away if you aren’t getting the terms you want and/or comfortable with.

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The tenants are currently paying 2200, the owners are living on the other side. They want a rent back and their agent estimated 2500 in rent for their side. So if we move forward, we’d be charging them 2500, 2200 at a minimum.

Overpriced. Absent additional facts, my recommendation is to look elsewhere for value.

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Frankly there isn’t. I am an agent on the side and literally search on the MLS everyday for multi in Orange County. A lot of listed deals don’t pencil out. I would stay away from this unless you plan to live in one unit. You can get 5%+ risk free. How much more return you gonna get from this hassle?

Option 1 - lower price to either 535 or 540 and waive appraisal, offer small rent discount to seller on their rent back.

Option 2 - offer 550 with the contingency that we will pay 5k over appraisal price.

The seller stated they did not want option 2, which makes me believe they aren’t confident their home with appraise for 445 (as we offered to pay 5k over appraisal)

Their desired number is 550k, however we are afraid it won’t appraise at this amount and we will have to come out of pocket a significant amount, leaving us with very little reserve.

Any strategies we can use to restructure the deal second time around? Any advice? Is anyone else continuing to see appraisal waivers in this new 2023 market?

Yea I made the mistake of choosing someone new and inexperienced, unfortunately

Sorry to ask but what will your net cashflow be? Seems like its going to be very small if you have a mortgage

The house price is too high for the income

Cash flow generated

I would not waive an appraisal at the peak of the market.
As was said, unless you are putting down a significant %+, the net monthly cash flow may not cover the mortgage

Stick with $500K for your offer, appraisal contingency, and review the rent roll for the one side that is already rented out.

Dont depend on $2500 for the other side

Run all your numbers with “worse case” scenarios. Run rental comps

Other side is being rented for 2200 and it’s not renovated. Other side the owners live and is recently renovated and their seller agent stated market rent is 2500. So for the rent back we would stick to the 2500 the seller stated was market value.

Can someone explain how this is a bad deal? 550k Houses where I live only rent for 3k. Here Op is getting about 4700 in rent. What am I missing?

If its s rental property, cashflows should cover all expenses, and yes appreciation is good but if appreciation is what makes it positive then its a no deal

Will you be living in this property?

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