I have no degree, but want a career change. I know UX/UI and Software Engineering bootcamps are hard to land a role after, but which would I have more success with?

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No degree, no problem if you know the game. Attend meetups. Take some online courses and build a portfolio on Git. Otherwise, find some low hanging bugs on open source projects and use those to build a portfolio on Git.

I have done a lot of hiring in tech; I never look at the degree section anymore. Ever. This was a hard-learned lesson. I have worked with degree holders who were total wastes of space, and I have worked with bootstrapped GED holders who were worth twice their salary. The real test is:
1) Can you hold your own at a meetup or conference?
2) Can you describe in detail the salient points on your resume?
3) Do you have a demonstrated ability to deliver?

Work on those three categories and you are good to go. The reason large firms eventually degrade into bottom-of-the-barrel engineering cesspools is they stop hiring folks based on skills and teachability and start hiring folks based on resume buzzword density.

Learn some languages. Make some appearances. Shake some hands. Get it done!!!

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Most people without a degree that break into tech go into an entry level app support role. This can be anything from desktop support to debugging large codebases. App support covers a lot of different spaces.
It is my understanding that these are less desirable jobs with a higher turnover rate than the engineer style roles.
This was my entry to tech, I have no degree instead, I studied Java and tried to convince every employer I was a programmer. If anything it was my enthusiasm that got me the job because my first job was on a help desk which for the most part was non technical

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Neither at the moment, even experienced engineers are struggling in the market. Pick and area in tech that is more nice. Like cybersecurity or cloud engineering

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I would like to suggest Merit America. $0 upfront and they provide you help with job placement upon graduation.

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Just did a swe bootcamp from fullstack and I felt rushed I mean I learned a lot but it was a checklist

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Verizon has a program with edX for upskilling. Courses are free and you can get certified.

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Recognize that you are the exception not having a degree. You won't get a second look in anything high tech. Try to get your foot in the door with 1 year of tech support, business analysis, project management, etc.

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No degree = No roles

Also, how would we know what you'd be good at? Can you code in at least 2 different languages efficiently? When coding, can you explain what you're doing while coding and why? All I can say is if you are passionate about getting a software gig, you'll do what it takes to get it.

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90% why in the world are you getting that figure?

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You got to sell yourself, big energy, paasionate about all tech xmçf

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The bootcamps are the craze but painful. I atreded mine com wifhbsnninxj shweealskllllĺdððx̌

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Yea unfortunately a lot of big companies just did massive layoffs so roles are hard to come by. And they are that much harder to land if you don't have any experience or a degree. Your best bet is to try and get a referral.

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I'm a UX Manager and hire. Bootcamps mean nothing to me. In fact, they tell me that A) You had no idea what you wanted to do with your life so you took a bootcamp or B) I hate where I am now so I'll shortcut a real education and mentoring because I need a paycheck and took this bootcamp.

Serious UX/UI folks don't shortcut and those who do, have a portfolio of work they did on the side that demonstrates working with teams, alone, wins, and failures. Yes, failures.

What impresses me the most is how you can wiggle your way out of a terrible failure and describe to me what you learned and what you're not going to do again. Of course, I also want to know if you can go to a whiteboard and do basic things like talk through a design problem like "Design a camera app for the blind".

I look for key questions that should immediately stream from your mind and out your mouth like "Tell me more about the user" or "Is there anything off the shelf today that does what you want to do?" Also, "Do we even need to build this? This is a dumb idea and this is why..."

These are experiences and insight you're going to bring to the table, not some bootcamp checklist of tasks that you accomplished.

Which you'll have more success with is dependent on your location, the industry, and the company. There have been massive layoffs and even veterans with 10+ years of experience have been sent home. It's a tough market right now so unless you really need to change jobs, stick with what you got and work on a real project to show your real potential. Make sure you understand double diamond methodologies, how UI/UX work in a agile environment (what works, what doesn't), and be ready to show how you back up your design decisions with data and the research methodology you used to gather it.

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🙄 Get over yourself already, clown.

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I'd take free online courses in both to see if you enjoy the challenges of one more than the other. Also consider culture, they can be quite different.

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Look into apprenticeships and job placement programs, essentially bootcamps with a role at the end, like Multiverse. As a guy with a degree trying to change careers into SWE, I’ve come across a surprising number of opportunities in the field exclusively for people without degrees.

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Do you any trades? How vast is your background? I don't have a degree, what got me into the position I'm in is do to my background. I am a fabricator & machinist by trade. I was dealing with engineers that had no idea how to read a blueprint or use a torque wrench. The project director started questioning me and next thing I know I get the offer to become the quality engineer. It also didn't hurt that I also did time working in an FAA repair station.

It doesn't hurt to learn a trade or become mechanically inclined.

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I concur with most comments. Bootcamps can be good but do not replace experience and know-how. The biggest factor is where you are in your journey will impact your choices to move forward, though it is not about money it is about stability. Stability is embedded in behavior that a potential employer can see. So a BootCamp might get you started in the right direction, but it will not land you a role. My recommendation is to listen to your passion and follow that...

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Speaking from experience, not having a degree means you have to sell yourself even harder on every interview then everyone else, at least in the beginning. You have to prove you can do it, so make a git hub, make a portfolio of work, and try to be specific. Pick a topic like UX layout and build interfaces, get good at it, and have a way of demoing it.

It is a very competitive market right now so anything you can do to make yourself stand out from the crowd is going to help them at least consider you.

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Personally, I did a full stack boot camp, and it was a lot of info. Afterwards though, I put in another year of work into my portfolio collaborating with other developers and completing more projects. Since starting the bootcamp and then training it took me about 2 years to land a job and feel confident enough in my skills to interview/work in this environment.

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Start with FlutterFlow; (as oppose to Figma).
Its Free, has Youtube follow along projects, etc...
If you stall out, this will give you an idea how you would do with an investment like a bootcamp.

Graduate to Power Platform Certs if you get the opportunity (its like 3k, but most companies have ms-licenses that include free online training). The Demand for Workflows, Sharepoints, Dashboards, custom expressions, etc... is out there without needing a bootcamp.

Other Certs, such as google or AWS, their good, but in terms of "Finished Product" you can start showcasing or start doing immediatly for others...FlutterFlow and the complementary API Stack that goes with it cannot be rivaled easily.

Finally a note on custom UI/UX for Node.Js or other frameworks (Asp.net). Yeah; bootcamp or degree is probably best.
But lets say you do a FlutterFlow for someone and need a custom widget...go on Fivver hire a guy and learn from what you observe.

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i took a UX bootcamp five years ago and that was the only UX education I received. I found a full time job two months after. i disagree with ppl saying these bootcamps are a scam. it more so has to do with the market climate. right now taking a UX bootcamp is for sure more difficult since layoffs have been rampant. i think u should focus more on how the market is doing than whether bootcamps are worth it. theyre worth it as long as ur not doing it in a very competitive market. maybe consider a bootcamp in a couple years to make the investment worth it

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You’ll need the boot camps and/or other education and certificates, but in order to be successful, you need to not only do the education piece, you’ll need to accept a more remedial job for at least a couple years. That offers you experience.

Expecting to take a couple classes, gain a couple certs and move into a professional role would be an overshot and likely let you down.

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