I’m looking to improve my ability to drive and execute engagements as an EM. Is getting a PMP a good countermeasure to gain those skills?

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PMP? Yuck. Don't do it. Just do agile, and be agile. Plan things a bit but don't let perfect get in the way of good. Have good templates at your disposal.

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I got a PMP b/c it was a promotion requirement, but I just learned how to pass the test, didn’t actually learn anything.

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SM1, just so we're clear, agile is not what you've described, what you've described is the storied consulting tradition of "winging it". Agile is a structured process that is just as rigorous as the standard PM process and actually requires more discipline and training for the whole team to execute properly without devolving into the exact issues OP is having

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Feel free to provide a burner and I can reach out. I am an SA, but I use basic tool like project charters, detailed timelines in excel and the most important of all is making sure that they align with the SOW.

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What on earth do you mean by countermeasure? It will not inhibit you, but it won’t really improve your “drive.” If anything it will reduce your tolerance for unstructured risk in the project, and probably up your engagement’s costs through compliance with PMBOK standards. I have one and it was good for learning language and general framework regarding project management. It is good for risk management but rather tedious to incorporate fully into your work.

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D1, your probably not an ops guy. Haha. Good points. Do you have any alternative ideas to improve in this area?

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Correct, I am in cyber. I agree with agile, even then I have my qualms with some parts of the methodology— daily scrum meetings are annoying and too frequent. I think PMP has external benefits such as recognition from leadership, and (firm depending) a bonus. If I had to do it all over again, I’d take CSM, CISSP, and PMP for my specific role in that order.

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Hmm. CSM might actually have a lot of value on that length of engagement. Pretty easy to get but worth paying attention to.

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Well of course SM1, that’s a given. Being flexible/delivering while obtaining a PMP is still a differentiator past just being flexible/delivering without one.

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SM1, thanks. Please reread my question and re-respond. If you have a better idea, please let me know - I am in fact too flexible and have had engagements run long...therefore am looking for ways to add more structure to my approach

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No. You need to know how to manage yourself, people, drive towards milestones, handle financials, and resolve conflicts. PMP will mostly teach you a project methodology. If you have never managed an implementation project and your company does not have a standardized methodology, it might help. But otherwise, I don’t think it’ll help much.

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I do more strategy work in a manufacturing and ops environment. 12 week engagement sort of thing

Find a good mentor to provide guidance in that area. Someone successful you can check in with regularly. Signed, a PMP

You think that PMP will get you more recognition from leadership? How about delivering and being flexible.

I have the PMP and work in Ops Strategy. If your question comes as a result of your feedback during the yearly CRT, then getting the PMP will help you show that you have put some effort, otherwise the benefit would be marginal in my opinion. It kind of depends on where you are at now.

Thanks S1. You are more or less correct. What project management tools do you use during your engagement? Any other advice? I don’t think it makes sense to devote time to something for show, given I can provide evidence in other ways.

Learning the content (albeit somewhat academic is fine) and PMP still gets a good nod from industry. Once you have done that. You can do agile as well via the PMI. That way you get leading standard creds in both. This whole agile vs. Waterfall is pretty boring. Most individuals I have seen engage in the argument arent successful in one, so dump in the other...you may wish to be able to deliver via a number of methods, if so go for your life. I did PMP and Prince2 years ago...no cred in agile but been a scrum master for a decade. If you have time, if you think it has value, just do it. There is no wrong decision...except for no decision. But words like countermeasure etc, suggest maybe your approach in general is off. Just do stuff you think makes you better and adds to your toolkit. Be that templates, concepts, hard skills, soft skills, whatever. You dont NEED anything...but you will.find certain things useful.

If the feedback was get a PMP, then I would do it for optics. I have one and the application process was pretty extensive from what I recall. You can take a prep class and a good teacher will help you apply it to some of your specific areas. But get started now because it took about 6 months for me from start to finish to apply and certify. If you are working in ops and manufacturing for short term engagements and they didn’t specify PMP, I would look at just borrowing some PM tools versus full certification.

Learn how to lead a team, do engagement admin, and GSD - get shit done!

I love how a bunch of IT consultants took over this thread and told OP that agile is the way to go.... Guys — OP is not working in IT. For the most part, the business-side continues to struggle with accepting agile (especially in operations). Why would OP learn something that might cause rub with his ops clients? (Rhetorical) OP is simply asking if a PMP would help him better manage longer-term projects given he’s been more exposed to it. OP — I think it would help. Especially if you’re not as familiar with the typical PMO toolset, cadence, etc. I’ve heard the PMP is not too difficult.

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