Is it normal for a smaller firm (less than 100 attys) to expect biglaw level hours without the pay? Current first year who has been at my first job since September, making $85k. My firm’s billable requirements aren’t super high at 1900, but the partner I work for has told me that she’d like me to bill 2200.I know there’d tons of ppl in BL billing close to 3k but I feel like this is way too much for my current pay. My salary is the same as other associates who are expected to just bill 1900

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Where is your firm located (ie what market)?

I’m in a small southern region with no market-paying biglaw firms, and I got paid $88k base salary to bill 2400 this year. Our actual requirement is only 1800 though, and I’m not expected to bill as many as I’ve been billing)

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Yep, if you’ve got biglaw down the street, maybe it’s time to lateral if you’re going to be working that many hours anyway

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You can probably make that much working for the govt/ state and you’d get nights weekends and holidays for the most part.
I can’t imagine where the partner you work for is coming from. Those expectations for such inadequate pay is not a good long term strategy. I don’t know where you are or COL but I don’t think 1900 hours for $85K is fair at all.

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I make more than that in government and I don’t work nights or weekends ever.

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2200 for $85k is insane. Many / most biglaw juniors bill 2200 or less and make literally 3x that.
You should look for a different firm.

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This is insane. Leave asap.

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You are getting screwed to begin with, and that partner is doubling down on it. I work at an AmLaw 5 firm and we are explicitly told that the 2000 hour billable requirement is the only goal.

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What if your firm doesn’t provide health insurance? Do you think you should get more like 40-45% of what you bring in?

That's terrible. My billable requirement is 1750. I was a first year SEVEN years ago and made $90k at a fifteen person firm. Insane that your salary is lower, seven years later, and your requirement is higher.

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Lol you in DC?

I’m a second year with a 1900 requirement in midlaw for $145k. $85k is ludicrous especially if you did well at a top school.

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Even if you didn’t go to a top school, let’s not normalize lower pay for 1900+ firm jobs just because someone didn’t go to T14 or wasn’t first in class. Not every firm can be market, but these smaller shops shouldn’t get away with taking advantage of their associates. Period. It drags us all down. Do the work, make the money.

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This is robbery.

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I was offered that salary at an insurance defense firm in Dallas as a second year with a clerkship under my belt. Also had that same hourly requirement. No thanks! Maybe it’s just that practice area? The churn at that firm must be incessant. Found a job in Big Law and I am not a T1 graduate. You have options!

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I’m actually working in commercial litigation but definitely have heard some horror stories about insurance defense! Thanks for the positivity!

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Your BONUS should be closer to $85k if your billing that much

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Get out and tell her off

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Geography seems like the biggest factor

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Why did you take a job there?

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Practice area and the level of work. I wanted to do litigation and be at a place where I would get to do more complex work, which is happening! I’ve got a lot of responsibility and get to do things most first years aren’t doing - taking depositions, motion drafting, doing negotiations, talking to clients, etc. I also kind of got screwed because the firm I summered for in law school decided not to hire any of their summers last minute so I was left scrambling for a job during the last semester of 3L

In all honesty I probably could’ve waited for a better offer at a different firm but I was really nervous about not having income after school so I just took the first offer I got.

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Do you get any kind of bonus for the extra hours? I used to work at a firm that would pay you a certain % of your hourly rate for every hour you billed over the required amount. Yeah, I was expected to bill 2100 but the extra hours bonus evened it out.

Yeah no. Mine was more like $10,000 for an extra 100 hours on top of our regular bonuses.

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