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Have an offer at Citi for 120K as an AVP in the NY office. Currently making 92K at my current role. Is this a fair offer? I currently WFH pretty much full time at my current role but it seems like this one requires 2-3 days in the office - and this is something I’m very hesitant about. Thoughts on how to approach this?
Im not searching for a new job but an acquaintance reached out about a similar role at a similar energy company.Turns out 2 ppl threw my name in the hat. I looked into it and the position was posted 2 weeks ago.Their director wants to meet.I bet pay is one of the first things to be discussed so that no one’s time is wasted.Am I crazy for not wanting to entertain it for less than 20-25% base pay increase?Is it selfish to ask for more? I’m sure most salary conversations end in negotiation anyways?
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My advice... run from them. They legally couldn't extend that offer without the position being vacant and they couldn't extend the offer out to any other potential candidate without the previous one turning it down. Something is off with their hr team and you should avoid them.
My advice would be to evaluate your current job search and financial conditions. If you can find another job fairly quickly, run away, If you don't have anything in sight I would take it temporarily and then run away. I would not work for a company that pulls these sorts of tricks.
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I'd review them on Glassdoor and say they bait and switched you because that's essentially what they did. That's shameful behavior on their part and others deserve not to experience this same abhorrent behavior that you also didn't deserve, OP.
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If you need a job, counter the offer for the same salary you were promised.
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No, there are no U.S. states where rescinding a signed job offer (and offering a lower-paying position instead) is outright illegal or prohibited in all circumstances for private-sector employers. The vast majority of states follow at-will employment doctrines that extend to the pre-employment phase, allowing employers to withdraw offers before the employee starts work, as long as the reason isn't discriminatory or otherwise unlawful (e.g., based on race, gender, age, disability, or retaliation).Key Points Across StatesStandard offer letters — These are generally not considered binding contracts unless they lack at-will disclaimers and include unusually specific, guaranteed terms. Signing and returning one typically doesn't create an enforceable agreement preventing rescission.
Promissory estoppel (detrimental reliance) — This is the most common potential claim. Many states (e.g., New Jersey, California, Pennsylvania, Minnesota) recognize it more favorably if you suffered significant losses in reasonable reliance on the offer (like quitting another job, relocating, or turning down other opportunities). However, even in these states, simply signing without further detrimental actions often isn't enough to win, and success rates vary. Some states (e.g., certain interpretations in New York) are stricter and rarely uphold such claims for at-will offers.
Montana exception — Montana is the only non-at-will state overall, but its protections (under the Wrongful Discharge from Employment Act) generally apply after the probationary period (usually 6-12 months) and once employment has begun. Rescinding a pre-start offer is still typically permissible there, similar to other states.
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Check the small print. And what was offered - in legal terms, do you have a case to fight? But they sounds shonky - run!
I'd renegotiate for the additional $12k, but depending on your situation I would formally decline in a nice letter indicating their lack of professional and ethic behavior while seeking a lawyer for a consultation. As someone mentioned below, if this was a case of bait switch tactics, maybe they have a history of doing this.
Walk away.
This is happening all too often. My son has had this happen twice in a different field. And these were fortune 500 companies.
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Its the same job, just lower pay. All employers seem to do that now. You shine during the interview but then get told someone else was hired but another role came up and your perfect, but its really the same job all the time. Its all a ploy to hire you for less as its an employers market and desperados need jobs. Seen it happen many times.
I agree with JLL!!!
Do you NEED a job or not?
They showed you who they are. They're shady, and are probably violating employment laws. Run away, and warn others.
I agree that you should not take a bait and switch offer. They probably want to put a favorite in the role while you do all the work for them to look good. If you really want to be petty, take the offer and not show up on day 1.
Sounds like a bait and switch. Hope you do not feel like you have to take the position. If they operate this way now, imagine the rest of your career with them. Very Best Wishes To You!
You haven't told us anything about your current employment situation, so I can't give you any advice. Obviously, your description makes the company look bad, but if you are broke, are unemployed, have no other options in sight and desperately need income, then that has to be taken into consideration.
Out of curiosity, I'd want to know how this happened. Did they offer 2 people the job at the same time? Did their first choice turn down the offer but change their mind after they'd offered the job to their second choice (you)?
I do not know where you are located, but I highly suggest you speak with an employment lawyer, ASAP. In a growing number of places this is Illegal or considered breach of contract.
Accept it and never show. You can play their games too.
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Tell them to *** off politely and thank you very much and then immediately file a claim with the labor board due to the fact you had already signed a offer letter and depending on how it is structured it is normally a legal binding contract they defaulted on.
It sounds like one of those, offering the post externally so we can hire internally exercises.
The team that sent you the offer probably weren't aware and then had this dropped on them.
I would avoid them because it's giving me the feeling of a badly organised company and potential tyrannical upper management.
Sorry you've had your hopes up and they're messing you about.
Good luck, whatever you decide!
I am so sorry that this happened to you. I would walk away and look for a more reliable and respectful company.