Let's have a productive conversation about the Google employee who was just fired for his controversial diversity memo

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I got about 30 seconds into it when I saw the "women have a higher agreeableness factor". As someone dealing with situations I do NOT agree with professionally right now, I am bordering the "bitch" line by not being agreeable. I am tapping out. This faux science is what got us Trump and Men's Rights and All Lives Matter. 🙈

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This manifesto is like a jar of honey with a teaspoon of shit in it. People who say "but he still had a few valid points" just can't taste the shit. Having a discussion about work discrimination & equality based on this document is like working out ways to resolve Germany's problems between WWI and WWII based on Mein Kampf.

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Late to the party but totally agree with his views. The guy is a genius but societal bs and political correctness killed him

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@ATK2:- can you elaborate, rather than attack? Help me understand your point here.

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I like this. Let's keep it going

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It's truth about women having higher anxiety about their careers they make less than most men. And therefore it would follow that they would sacrifice their goals to raise a family if they have a male breadwinner making more. But I also know some guys who are stay at home dads cause their wives make more due to better edu. Some of the manifesto was skewed and I think it may have been intended to identify these hurdles and bring it into the light where no one is comfortable staring at these facts and progress has been slow in yielding a balance at equality. I certainly don't agree with some of his observations after all how can he walk a mile in someone else's shoes unless he lives that life.

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Let me guess, D1....you're a dude.

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@atk3 it seems clear that he wasn't fired for his views so much as his decision to voice them when the company was onboarding a new VP of D&I and simultaneously fending off accusations of gender pay gaps. If Google has an internal pay gap that favors men over women in the same position, the author and the D&I person are both clueless -- they need to pay equally for equal contributions. The author noted that no pay gap exists in the market at large, but it would still be possible for a single HR department at Google to enforce a pay gap, consciously or unconsciously.

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Op, I'm not saying iq is the only thing that matters. But to the extent that it is somewhat positively correlated, it's still an explanatory factor.

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@atk3 I'm sure there's validity in it, and preventing discussions of certain biological truths do us a disservice. That said, we still need to unpack why it is that why women in STEM - and even business like consulting - are still overwhelmingly represented by certain cultures in the US. These women come from places where recent history resulted in an aggressive type of state-mandated "equality" where things such as makeup and fashion were looked down upon as bourgeoisie or anti-statist artifacts to be done away with, and women were encouraged to be aggressive in pursuit of their country's advancement over the West. And this can't be spun as a racial argument. For example, East Asian female representation in business varies quite a bit. In the US, Japanese and Korean women show up with far less frequency in even in the corporate sector but there are plenty of women of Chinese descent (up to the middle management ranks) and this chasm exists in STEM fields as well.

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Ey4, what's the most degrading statement he makes about women?

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Maybe I'm giving the author the benefit of the doubt because it's something he got fired for, and because it was tee'd up in media as a crazy-person's screed or manifesto. It seems like he presented a reasonably defensible opinion and I think it should at least be dignified by a thoughtful response aside from "can't you hear the dog whistling?"

Well, no, I'm not a dog.

People get upset by red Starbucks cups, so usuing general distaste from public perception doesn't seem intellectually honest.

If we can't find where he offends people, we should acknowledge that he's being canned for bringing negative attention to his firm in regard to a hot button issue.

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Even the people who support him don't have any confusion about what his point is...

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The implication seems to be that Google's approach to recruiting and retaining women would benefit from consideration of biological factors, hardly a surprising recommendation from a biologist.

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@C1, yiu are right that they fired him ostensibly for his views. But I'm sure you are aware that power politics, perception, authority, and external factors are also important considerations when removing someone for political reasons. So it seems reasonable to speculate how much of the firing was actually due to intellectual differences and how much was simply the way to maintain control.

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AT4, we are having a discussion right now. People are unconvinced. I have made my position clear. You just railed against "liberals." Good job.

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Are you saying women are less intelligent? Or is your post unrelated?

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He is being lampooned because he is suggesting that women and minorities are less qualified to be software engineers at google.

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@EY4 Go to work.

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EY4 - I'm saying that his assertion of a biological (genetic) component is scientific and well founded. That doesn't mean what you suggested, that women are less intelligent, but does mean that certain people are better at certain things. The genetic component won't be addressed with a chief diversity officer and some hiring quotas. I suspect that one (problematic) outcome of the genetic research will be that we learn there are discreet genetic populations for which the mean capability (intelligence, creativity, etc.) varies significantly. We already know that is true for physiological characteristics.

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I believe I did. What is unclear to you?

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AC5, is that not what google is trying to do? Women have to be present and in leadership positions in order for organizations to reap the benefits.

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