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I got about 30 seconds into it when I saw the "women have a higher agreeableness factor". As someone dealing with situations I do NOT agree with professionally right now, I am bordering the "bitch" line by not being agreeable. I am tapping out. This faux science is what got us Trump and Men's Rights and All Lives Matter. 🙈
This manifesto is like a jar of honey with a teaspoon of shit in it. People who say "but he still had a few valid points" just can't taste the shit. Having a discussion about work discrimination & equality based on this document is like working out ways to resolve Germany's problems between WWI and WWII based on Mein Kampf.
He should have googled his dumbass theories prior to posting
My biggest offense to the manifesto (as a woman) was that it was poorly cited and had literally nothing to offer beyond the basic talking points that you can find in any misspelled screed in the comment section at Breitbart.
I personally don't think that there is anything wrong with discussing issues around genetic or biologically-based differences that people of different genders have, but when social constructs DO exist we owe it as a society to unpack those first before peeling back the layers around genetics. The former has a very salient grip on us still. Studies have shown that girls achieve at the same rates in STEM as boys until late adolescence in the US, and then starts to drop off. I'd be interested to know if this is true in other countries that emphasize less gendered skill development and STEM is encouraged. Coming from parents born in an ex-communist country, it seems as though all of my female relatives and friend's mothers have degrees in chemistry, physics, engineering, medicine and practiced these jobs. Today, you still see a large proportion of Eastern European or Asian heritage representation in women who do have STEM careers over even white American women. This is just one data point, of course, but it points to sociological factors at play. There are other anecdotes I can pull out about perceptions of women in the workplace as well - including ones I'm guilty of - even as a woman.
While I don't agree with him, conservatives are hardly the ones asking for safe spaces. Safe spaces are a joke and given what liberals have done at Berkley, Evergreen and a host of others, there are issues with liberals and free speech.
It's a reminder that more conversations about diversity are needed.
His views had some validity but good god never put anything controversial in writing
Former Google Employee provides a bit more context on why someone would get fired for creating a "manifesto" where you fawn over your superiority and sharing it with 50k+ people who probably aren't likeminded.
>Essentially, engineering is all about cooperation, collaboration, and empathy for both your colleagues and your customers. If someone told you that engineering was a field where you could get away with not dealing with people or feelings, then I’m very sorry to tell you that you have been lied to. Solitary work is something that only happens at the most junior levels, and even then it’s only possible because someone senior to you — most likely your manager — has been putting in long hours to build up the social structures in your group that let you focus on code.
>And as for its impact on you: Do you understand that at this point, I could not in good conscience assign anyone to work with you? I certainly couldn’t assign any women to deal with this, a good number of the people you might have to work with may simply punch you in the face, and even if there were a group of like-minded individuals I could put you with, nobody would be able to collaborate with them. You have just created a textbook hostile workplace environment.
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788
edit: The replies to me here don't seem to understand that the company doesn't care about your controversial opinion in the work place, they care about profit. If you don't agree with that, then you probably don't like capitalism.
E2, you're condemning faux science in the same statement that you provide anecdotal evidence rather than a study? Nice.
Most was anecdotal evidence though. How is anything valid in that document. Why do conservative people need a safe space at work? When did politics become a topic of conversation at work for anybody for that matter?
Well thought out response and input @s&1
They fired him because this google "manifesto" has gotten so much attention that it's bad for business - ironically he wrote that empathy should be decreased as it could be bad for business. He may be regretting that now...
Should've kept it within the family first
Eh, if you actually read the paper he clearly says he wants more women and more diversity in the workplace (at the end). For the most part the paper was fine, but he got into some sketchy stuff (what was that IQ shit? Referencing a flawed and biased test as justification for bias?...) that he was rightly blasted for.
I will say his stuff about being a conservative rings very true. Just look at some of the posts on here that are along the lines of "Client is a Trump supporter. How to not scream at him in meetings?" Some of the backlash- headlines like "disgusting manifesto from SV engineer"- he is getting is right in line with how he said liberals will react, which doesn't make anyone look good.
And, wow, Google needs to examine itself. To fire the guy .... only justification I could imagine is that maybe he leaked the memo and aired the dirty laundry. That's not cool. But voicing internally should be acceptable in a company whose policy is to support diversity and inclusion (except where that diversity runs counter to the intent is the desired diversity I guess). I just read that the guy filed an NLRB complaint before he was fired and he may now have powerful grounds for a reprisal case against Google. Ironically, the last 8 years of pretty aggressive equality of outcomes enforcement may have been just what it takes to have the powerful see what it's like to have uneven/unfair rules foisted upon oneself. That would be interesting.
The post was not as inflammatory as people are suggesting. Lots of people on both sides are bringing their baggage to something that actually lays out a good point - there are gender differences... Rather than denying them, let's structure our organization to account for those differences so that we get the best of all worlds
It's clear he thinks that women/minorities are less qualified to be software engineers as a class. He created a hostile work environment. No women would want to work with this guy once his views became public knowledge. Google had no choice but to let him go
I guess white men are just obviously the most qualified people. Case closed. SC1 has got it all figured out.
I tried reading it with an open mind because I initially had no idea what it was about. Made it about 1 minute before the author's tone seemed off. Seemed like the inner ramblings of a psychologist trained at the University of Wikipedia so I closed the memo.
It wasn't as bad as the Media made it out to be. I read half of it. It seems logical