So...last week I went for lunch with a friend from law school who is at a different big law firm in my city. We spent the time catching up but also sharing tips on what we've both been doing for biz dev and growing our practices. I paid for lunch and submitted it as a business development expense. Firm just returned it and made me resubmit under diversity. I am Asian, she is Black, but we didn't really talk DEI. We just happen to be diverse associates? Feels weird but maybe I'm overthinking it 😖

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Definitely messed up

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There’s different budgets for this stuff. Someone from billing redirected it to where it’s more likely to be reimbursed. End of story.

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Firm allots $X for social outings/meals for business development and $Y for the same under DEI initiatives. $X is a little low and firm’s been pushing back on expenses whereas fewer people draw on $Y so easier to get it reimbursed. This is totally normal corporate stuff?

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Ugh. I'm Asian too and this happened with a lunch meeting with a mentee who happened to be POC. My mentee was originally paired through a non-diversity channel. You have a right to feel weird about it.

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Yaalllllllll, I have an update 🤦🏻‍♀️ Our DEI manager just rejected this expense because she says it is not DEI lol. She is now taking this to marketing/bus dev for approval.

Turns out, someone had also switched 2 law student coffees from recruiting to DEI bc the students had obviously ethnic names. 😑 DEI manager is now trying to get those moved over accordingly.

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oh god so it was racist

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Do they know she’s black?

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Ohhhh that's how they knew her ethnicity. It sounds like they're trying to fulfill some kind of quota on money spent on diversity and using this as an opportunity

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Everyone’s tightening budgets atm, I would bet it’s because they have more available in the DEI budget so are trying to redirect if possible. But agreed it’s weird/awk.

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Well 1. Does talking to a lawyer at another firm even count as biz dev? The only thing I’d be concerned about is whether it somehow impacts the report of it being bizdev vs DEI and u need to do a certain amount of biz dev.

Either way they pay for it?

Still waiting for approval so I'm not sure 🤷🏻‍♀️

That is weird. How dd they know that your friend was black anyway?

I guess as long as they pay for it that's all that matters but I don't think you're overreacting because this if you or your friend were white I don't think this would have been the case

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